Satan a Serpent in Genesis? (Page 5)

srbiddy09: Just to clear something up here: I'm not an atheist, but I am also not a religious zealot.

In any case, cenababy, I think that you are overreacting. Even though I may disagree with you, I have always been respectful in my posts. I have never "yell(ed) fire" or "cause(d) harm." I simply pointed out that it is childish to delete someone's posts simply because they do not support your own ideas or viewpoints.

Whether you choose to believe it or not, refusing to allow someone to voice a dissenting opinion is considered censorship, and it reveals more about the fragility of your own faith than it does about the person who questions it.

Zanjan: Topic derailed again.

srbiddy09: How can you characterize my right to respectfully voice a dissenting opinion as "derailing" a topic?

Cenababy: EXCUSE YOU , YOU DID DERAIL YOU NEVER ONCE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH MY ORIGINAL POST. YOU CAME TO JOKE AND MOCK! IM DONE WITH THIS. CENSORSHIP MY REAR! NOW I CAN REPORT YOU, I WARNED BUT NOPE YOU HAVE TO GRAB ON LIKE A PIT BULL.

Cenababy: Respect is not calling someone a zealot! Which is garbage in my opinion.

srbiddy09: I don't understand. You are going to report me for disagreeing with you?

srbiddy09: cenababy: You and blackshoes have both made ad hominem arguments against me in this thread. For instance, you called me "insecure" and blackshoes accused me of "yelling fire" and "causing harm."

Both of those statements were very disrespectful and hurt my feelings.

Zanjan: One's personal issues should be taken up in private messages; better still, the Health or Self-Improvement topics - they have band-aids.

I wonder if Adam's feelings were hurt when Eve blamed her problems on Him. Some people would say that's sexist ........is it?

Cenababy: Zan , lol eve blämed him. Ha

Blackshoes: Of course Adam blamed EVE . She was deceived by the serpent ..Adam freely chose to disobey ..

In all fairness Men have always listened to silly woman filled with much sin ..No different than today .

Just look at politics

Cenababy: Shoes, lol oh lol

Zanjan: Eve confessed to the serpent deceiving her. She took responsibility, noted by her admission she, herself, had made a mistake. Her punishment was pretty mild.
The serpent was punished more severely but not sent away.

It was the MAN that God drove out of the garden, not Eve or the serpent. The MAN's crime was worse so his punishment was the ultimate degree. You see, outside of the garden, one can't hear the Voice of God; thus, there's no conveyance of new directions, no dominance over the peoples of the world.

Since Adam was given authority over His wife, He dragged her along her with Him like He owned her. You can bet He never heard the end of that.

Blackshoes: Adam and Eve were both punished for there sin Both would eventually Die as God had warned them . God also added the two other punishment upon them as was the serpent also punished ..



Genesis 3:14 -3:19

3:14. And the LORD God said unto the serpent,
Because thou hast done this,
thou art cursed above all cattle,
and above every beast of the field;
upon thy belly shalt thou go,
and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
3:15. And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head,
and thou shalt bruise his heel.

3:16. Unto the woman he said,
I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception;
in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children;
and thy desire shall be to thy husband,
and he shall rule over thee.

3:17. And unto Adam he said,
Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife,
and hast eaten of the tree,
of which I commanded thee,
saying,
Thou shalt not eat of it:
cursed is the ground for thy sake;
in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
3:18. Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee;
and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
3:19. In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread,
till thou return unto the ground;
for out of it wast thou taken:
for dust thou art,
and unto dust shalt thou return.

srbiddy09: Wow, you guys are really into debating the details of the Adam & Eve story.

Zanjan: Well, there are a number of layers to the story as a whole; most give it a cursory glance and see nothing but the skin. Yet others argue that, out of 5 layers, only one can be real - their own perception. They don't know how to use filo pastry.

Whereas, this topic is just about the serpent. Notice the serpent is MASCULINE. Gender is insignificant in the ways of modern civilization; but, likely, it meant something to the people back then. There's more than one reason Adam and Eve were given "cover".

Is there anything to indicate the serpent is immortal? Or does it just re-produce?

The word "satan" or "snake" is never used. Therefore, we can't superimpose those names on the serpent > in the garden < by using anything in this Book.

Blackshoes: It's as clear as any bell . You can add subtract whatever you want . It says what it says .!

True the Bible doesn't say anyone other than The serpent beguiled Eve
However : If all the animals were as innocent as Adam and Eve during creation
Why would a innocent Serpent chose to decieve Eve? unless the devil had enter him .
That is why it's generally assumed that the devil had hand in the fall of man ..

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Zanjan: Your belfry has bats.

Cenababy: Poe,
The Hebrew word nahash is used to identify the serpent that appears in Genesis 3:1, in the Garden of Eden. In Genesis, the serpent is portrayed as a deceptive creature or trickster, who promotes as good what God had forbidden, and shows particular cunning in its deception.

The serpent was a symbol of evil power and chaos from the underworld as well as a symbol of fertility, life and healing. נחש Nāḥāš, Hebrew for "snake", is also associated with divination, including the verb form meaning "to practice divination or fortune-telling".

Cenababy: Serpent [N] [B] [S]
(Heb. nahash; Gr. ophis), frequently noticed in Scripture. More than forty species are found in Syria and Arabia. The poisonous character of the serpent is alluded to in Jacob's blessing on Dan ( Genesis 49:17 ; see Proverbs 30:18 Proverbs 30:19 ; James 3:7 ; Jeremiah 8:17 ). (See ADDER .)

This word is used symbolically of a deadly, subtle, malicious enemy ( Luke 10:19 ).

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Dictionaries - Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology - Serpent
Serpent [N] [E] [S]
See Satan

Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology. Edited by Walter A. Elwell
Copyright © 1996 by Walter A. Elwell. Published by Baker Books, a division of
Baker Book House Company, Grand Rapids, Michigan USA.
All rights reserved. Used by permission.
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[N] indicates this entry was also found in Nave's Topical Bible
[E] indicates this entry was also found in Easton's Bible Dictionary
[S] indicates this entry was also found in Smith's Bible Dictionary
Bibliography Information
Elwell, Walter A. "Entry for 'Serpent'". "Evangelical Dictionary of Theology". . 1997.


Dictionaries - Easton's Bible Dictionary - Serpent
Serpent [N] [B] [S]
(Heb. nahash; Gr. ophis), frequently noticed in Scripture. More than forty species are found in Syria and Arabia. The poisonous character of the serpent is alluded to in Jacob's blessing on Dan ( Genesis 49:17 ; see Proverbs 30:18 Proverbs 30:19 ; James 3:7 ; Jeremiah 8:17 ). (See ADDER .)

This word is used symbolically of a deadly, subtle, malicious enemy ( Luke 10:19 ).

The serpent is first mentioned in connection with the history of the temptation and fall of our first parents ( Genesis 3 ). It has been well remarked regarding this temptation: "A real serpent was the agent of the temptation, as is plain from what is said of the natural characteristic of the serpent in the first verse of the chapter ( 3:1 ), and from the curse pronounced upon the animal itself. But that Satan was the actual tempter, and that he used the serpent merely as his

Cenababy: instrument, is evident (1) from the nature of the transaction; for although the serpent may be the most subtle of all the beasts of the field, yet he has not the high intellectual faculties which the tempter here displayed.

In the New Testament it is both directly asserted and in various forms assumed that Satan seduced our first parents into sin ( John 8:44 ; Romans 16:20 ; 2 co Romans 11:3 Romans 11:14 ; Revelation 12:9 ; 20:2 )." Hodge's System. Theol., ii. 127.

Cenababy: Interesting poe.

Cenababy: My think is satan processed the snake, snakes don't talk also if you read the passages you will see satan was cursed after the fall to be on his belly not before.