which religion/belief is true? (Page 4) chronology: Islam, like every other religion will be swept into the garbage can of history by the last world ruler. He will be worshipped as 'God' and will have the total love and devotion of the entire world population. He will also create his 'Mark of The Beast' this will guarnatee people a job, shopping access, somewhere to live, Some insist 'The Mark of the Beast' is simply a Crypto currency. Something like Bicoin. But if simply owning a 'Digital Wallet' get's you condemned to Hell for ever that seems strange. It must be more than that.  Zanjan: Chron, did you know the name Babylon means the "Gate of God" or the "Gate of the Gods"? Depends on the context - that is, one minute, the city is the most glorious of all cities - wealthy, beautiful, the center of higher education and cutting edge science, graced with excellence in all things.; the next, it's become a whore, it's people worship idols, and have become territorial and materialistic. It's all rubble now, mostly lying under the desert - only 2% of it has been excavated. According to God, He makes a Nation great but once they fall, they never get up again - that's Babylon, it lost everything 500 years before Christ. The people abandoned the area and later built a main city elsewhere. All empires eventually fell. There are no more left. So no, that city doesn't star in the future but it does represent a classic pattern - what happens when power is corrupted. The end is always the same; they're forgotten. (Edited by Zanjan) Zanjan: In the Bible, Cain held the Mark of the Beast. It's a continuum. We see this today in the remnant of religious militant groups, and remote fanatical regimes. For such small populations, they sure can stir up a lot of crap - that's only because they know their time is short; the world is closing in on them. (Edited by Zanjan)  Blackshoes: Chron The coming New world Order will also most likely be ruled by the coming antichrist Those that wish for a world religion will most likely follow the Beast too Hell The Mark of the beast will most likely have a great deal too do with the Bar Code ! Only the Bar code and Computers have the ability to control the huge amounts of financial information required to control 7 billion people ! Rev 13 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would* not worship the image of the beast should be killed*. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great*, rich and poor*, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand*, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (Edited by Blackshoes) Zanjan: Yeah, because that text was addressing events in the Old World Order - it doesn't mention the New World Order at all, doesn't refer to it in any way. They had no clue. It's crazy to pretend scriptures say something they don't. All of those prophecies had been fulfilled by the time the NWO launched (hint: "free and Bond" - slavery was abolished in the NWO) Apparently, some people still don't understand what it is, although they're living in it. Go figure. Maybe they should be looking more closely at their right hand - would they recognize what the mark looked like? How about the name (by numerology)? Wouldn't matter because the fact one hasn't been killed should be proof enough they bowed to the beast, right? Zanjan: You can't lose by studying all the religions along with their cultural histories. It's a very enriching experience to become informed - it strengthens one's own faith. Ignore those who say if you expand your education, the devil will get you or God will punish you - I used to hear that a lot when I was young, always from Christians. Such people fear the unknown and don't trust the truth they do have. Neither do they trust God. (Edited by Zanjan) Zanjan: Whoever researches independently will find spiritual truth survives, many principles and sayings in almost exactly the same sentence from religion to religion; it goes back eons and is carried forward by every holy person so that it's never lost. This is what you should confidently embrace. Also, you should pay attention to acquiring spiritual virtues. Anybody can read a book but that is hollow research and we're not robots - the virtues are the powers that give you insight, foresight, fair judgment and mindfulness. Without them, you can never understand the other truths - some truths are relative. Finally, one doesn't join a religious community just because that religion has some truth; they do it because they're attracted to the state and condition of that community. The bare bones of rightful comprehension is the recognition that God is One. As such, all of His Messengers are One as well. So, as long as one hasn't denied these universal realities, they'll likely find favour with God, Who guides them in His ways. (Edited by Zanjan) Blackshoes: Well time will tell . After all that as sure as day turns to night ! All will be at Judgment day ! No one can escape the truth that God had put down in his Word . No matter how many Opinions and Rhetoric Zan add to it I'll say no more so/as to respect Hydro man wishes Seeya don't want to be you (Edited by Blackshoes) chronology: Zan, with all due respect to you I have spent my lifetime studying Bible related facts, and facts about the life of Jesus. I have yet to find a single event or claim made in the Bible that does not stand up to the test of study. All I will say is this I have never found about any other 'religion' no offence to any other faith. Even in my lifetime, events mentioned in the Bible have been indirectly explained by modern science that to those of us without the benefit of modern scientific research seemed puzzling. Like the worriers mentioned in Revelation with teeth like Lions and Tails like scorpions. It was always assumed by some Bible readers this refered to an invading Chinese Army who would trample down Western Europe and end the era of Western Civilisation. But like some of us said 'I have not met many Chinese folks with Lions teeth and scorpions tails' . The explanation can be found in modern Genetic Gene manipulation with human/animal hybrids. Some claim such creatures already exist and are ready to set loos on humanity, but as ever when you ask for proof it is usually 'a video left on a doorstep in Washington D.C. ' by some whistleblowing Marine or something. Congressmen have probably been sent some weird videos in their day, but they would not keep that video secret if it existed. Sorry Zan, but the only person worth trusting is Jesus. But am sure you will dismiss that out of hand. (Edited by chronology) Zanjan: " test of study. " LOL........study isn't a test - study is mental absorption (cognition and memory), enhanced by practical experience. Merely having an academic education doesn't mean you'll apply it properly; the same holds true with spiritual education. Thus, God is the sender of tests - He decides which one to send and all you have to do is pass them. If you fail, He'll keep sending you the same, exact test until you do pass it. You'll know you passed because that test doesn't return - a new test arrives. Poor you if you get a double whammy! Very few pass any spiritual test the first time because the pass mark is 100% (not 50%) but that's not really important - it's up to the individual how long they want to drag out the agony. If God wants the individual to know a thing, He delivers it in a Revelation - all else is conjecture. Conversely, if God doesn't want an individual to know a thing, they can't. (Edited by Zanjan) chronology: Well Zan you certainly have your own POV on how God thinks. All I need to know is Jesus Christ is Lord. Blackshoes: Chron Now that's true faith "Sorry Zan, but the only person worth trusting is Jesus. But am sure you will dismiss that out of hand " Zanjan: Chron: "All I need to know is Jesus Christ is Lord." With all due respect, you won't get very far on just that. A child can know that, and one sentence would make for a very short book. One of the blessings of God is intellectual ability. He's not the God of ignorance but of divine knowledge. (Edited by Zanjan) Zanjan: Thus, it's up to several thousand years of collective history to show us what actually happened. I think if the religious were in control of recording history, we'd never know that because they'd bury it. From what I've seen, God delivers His Books and it takes a very long span of time for humans to unravel its mysteries and learn its lessons. This makes religion organic - that is, community practice should improve as understanding increases. With long passage of time, religious leaders try to adapt their faith to changing conditions; when they can't do this anymore, they make their own decisions on what to do about serious social issues that weren't mentioned in the Book. This is when they go astray and understanding is lost so there is only the blind leading the blind. If me could actually do a good job of leadership and delivery of right solutions, God would never have had to send any Messengers and no Books would have needed to be delivered. (Edited by Zanjan)  elsafer: Jesus Predicts Peter’s Denial 27 “You will all fall away,” Jesus told them, “for it is written: “‘I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.’[d] 28 But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee.” 29 Peter declared, “Even if all fall away, I will not.” 30 “Truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “today—yes, tonight—before the rooster crows twice[e] you yourself will disown me three times.” 31 But Peter insisted emphatically, “Even if I have to die with you, I will never disown you.” And all the others said the same. Zechariah 13v7 “Awake, sword, against my shepherd, against the man who is close to me!” declares the Lord Almighty. “Strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered, and I will turn my hand against the little ones. oh and Zan NEVER post scripture without context. YOU should know this elsafer: LOL Zan YES Jesus did say those words....not in the context you posted them but im glad to see you acknowledge that HE is GOD elsafer: Matthew 26:31 31Then Jesus told them, "This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: "'I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.' He was talking to the Disiples....But he is the Good Shepard....he rounded them all back up Zanjan: Who wrote "I will strike the shepherd"? If you had made yourself familiar with the history of previous religions, you would have had proof that Jesus was describing a spiritual dynamic. Jesus was not the only Messenger of God that was attacked and martryed. Refer to Jesus talking about the signs of the seasons. All of those old religions were a day followed by night, due to its followers not keeping the Covenant. When Jesus spoke to Peter, He was speaking to one who thought he was still Jewish. At that time, only the disciples, themselves, had received each a new name......no collective name had been determined yet. (Edited by Zanjan) elsafer: I don't follow any religion........I am a child of God and I follow JESUS the Messiah, the Christ. You should seriously not assume anything about Christianity.......you have proven over and over again your knowledge about Christ is limited. | Religion Chat Room 32 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
