Xrusaoros Pegasos: Why do we have the names Matthew Mark Luke and John attributed to the 4 canonical gospels?
Xrusaoros Pegasos: The early church fathers are unanimous that:
The Gospel of Matthew was written by the Apostle Matthew.
The Gospel of Mark was written by Mark, the interpreter of Peter.
The Gospel of Luke was written by Luke, the companion of Paul.
The gospel of John written by the apostle John.
Tertullian in north Africa 160-220 AD Against Marcion 4.2.1-2
“The gospels were written by the Apostles Matthew and John and apostolic men of Luke and Mark.” - Tertullian
St. Irenaeus wrote in what is today, France 140-200 AD Against Heresies 3.1.1-2
“Matthew wrote among the Jews in their own style while Peter and Paul were preaching in Rome.
Mark, the disciple of Peter, handed to us the preaching of Peter.
Luke, the companion of Paul, set forth a Gospel.
Later, John the disciple of the Lord, put out a Gospel while residing in Ephesus.”
- St. Irenaeus
Clement of Alexandria Egypt 150-215 Adumbrationes in Epistolas Canonicas on 1 Peter 5:13
“The gospels with the genealogies came first.
Mark was done at request of Peter’s preaching in Rome.
John came last with the urging of friends.” - Clement of Alexandria
Muratorian fragment 170 AD Is a list of an early canon.
“At which nevertheless he was present and so he placed them in his narrative the third book of the Gospel is that according to Luke, the well known physician.
The fourth Gospel is that of John, one of the disciples. To his fellow disciples and bishops, who had been urging him [to write]…”
Papias in Hierapolis 125 AD Ecclesiastical History 3.39.15-16
“This too the elder used to say, Mark who had been Peter’s interpreter, wrote down carefully, but not in order, all that he remember of the Lords sayings and doings. For he had not heard the Lord himself or been one of his followers, but later, as I said, one of Peter’s. Peter used to adapt his teaching to the occasion without making a systematic arrangement of the Lord’s sayings, so that Mark was quite justified in writing down some things just as he remembered them. For he had one purpose only-to leave out nothing that he had heard, and to make no misstatement about it.
There is no other tradition that attributes authorship to anyone else.” - Papias
(Edited by Xrusaoros Pegasos)
edmund_carey: It is also a striking fact that we have no tradition of the Gospels having been written by anyone other than Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. No ancient source or early manuscript suggests that.
GunSlingingCowgirl: Nope, you said fairytales, lol so it's all in you're head : lol so your not the author lol PERIOD you're only here to bear false witness and spew your shit lol it gets old lol, you're not in a position to be judge and jury of God, lol pretty hilarious when you make foolosh statements lol
Psa 53:1 - The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
And frankly, l don't really care too hoots what you say, you might be smart, but your wisdom is foolishness
Pro 10:8 - The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall
GunSlingingCowgirl: Yes you have, you called it "fairytales" lol that is an attack. I'm not here to defend you, I'm here to make a stand and l stand my ground.
You don't like our beliefs, go spew in the athiest forums, they will love you.
You should take your own advise and apply it to yourself. I may disagree with you, but l don't MOCK your beliefs, like a dumb and blind pharasee.
I'm here to back AA up and he is welcome to delete my posts lol
My colours are not evident to you and you don't define me lol, Jesus defines me. I dont tolerate confusion!
You can stick your judgements up ya nose lol, your not here to know Jesus, but to show your dislike.
You like trolling with your smartarse comments!
AA is a very gracious man, he extends grace. I've already given you the benefit of the doubt, so there's nothing more to discuss, it's funny lol, its circular foolishness.
Get born again, then we'll talk!
As l said, l don't care two hoots what you think, you made it clear a long time ago lol
(Edited by GunSlingingCowgirl)
Aspect212: My only disagreement would be your claim that the Gospel of John was written by a disciple of John. This Gospel claims to have been written by the Apostle John.
"This is the disciple who testifies of these things, and wrote these things; and we know that his testimony is true." (John 21:24).
Aspect212: Recent research into the Dead Sea Scrolls has caused some scholars to date the Gospel of John before A.D. 70. (See Gutherie, New Testament Introduction: The Gospel and Acts, pp. 261-262). The liberal scholar, John A.T. Robinson dated John as early as 40-65. (Robinson, Redating the New Testament, p. 352).
edmund_carey: Guesses as to the dates of the canonical Gospels come and go all the time, but I'm not sure what the Dead Sea Scrolls would have to do with it. All scholars, as far as I know, date all of them to before the time of Christ.
Xrusaoros Pegasos: We know who wrote them and we know that they were written in the first century. Whether its 10 years off or not really isn't that important as Christians, but scholars like debating that sort of thing.
Aspect212: edmund, the dates for the canonical Gospels are fixed, give or take a few years. There is basic consensus as to their dates.
edmund_carey: I'm not a scholar of the subject, Aspect, but I have to say that that isn't what I've heard about it. However, I'm listening. What are the dates?