Why Jews don't believe in jesus

DontNeedChrist
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Jaguar Essence
Jaguar Essence: Thank you for sharing this information, unfortunately non-Jews have mutated and misinterpretated the Torah/Tanakh. It's important for the keepers of the Torah (Jews) to explain why we don't see Jesus or Yeshua in the Torah/Tanakh.

I know that protecting an emotional truth is a greater investment than to face facts, so I don't expect non-Jews to stop mutating, inserting, and mistranslating the Torah/Tanakh to suit their need to be validated. So this video is a light in the darkness for those who wish to discover a truth...
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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist: Thank you BJE!
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garrylawson3073
garrylawson3073: they don't believe in jesus as they already have a religion.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Cute but not quite. I believed in Moses and Jesus but I had no religion.....I was waiting for one that was more suitable for my time.
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garrylawson3073
garrylawson3073: I believe in buddha, he doesnt mention in you not believing in god , its your own choice , he was logical to me and claims he is not a god , just follow hes way.
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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist: "I was waiting for one that was more suitable for my time." - Zanjan

Hmmm, yes, nothing like a customized religion to meet one's "suitability."

That comment has nothing to do with the forum's topic btw. Please read the thread title and confine responses to just that. Thank you.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: .Well, I DO think it has to do with the topic. Like the Jews, I was waiting for the messiah too. My reasons might be different but I was still encouraged by the same prophecies, which I believed.

If there were no need of a messiah, why wait?

I listened to the video and it seems to me that guy was waiting for something more suitable too.

However, he thinks the messiah has nothing to do with the utopian world predicted - that pretty much eliminates the messiah’s job. He expects from Jesus what he doesn't expect from the future messiah. Listen to him……he’s full of contradictions!

A messiah comes to rescue a people from impending doom….if you’re waiting, you’re seeing the clouds of doom. The Prophet you have isn't doing anything about it. The world is soaked in tears and materialism; the balance between good and evil is off the charts. There needed to be a reversal. The difference between me and the Jews is I didn’t wait that long.

THAT guy won't accept any Prophet-Messiah unless he meets HIS "customized" ideal. God weighs YOU, you don't weigh HIM.
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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist:

Oh boy, here we go.....


"My reasons might be different but I was still encouraged by the same prophecies, which I believed."

Like what? That he will ride a donkey? Be born of a virgin? Speak in parables? Die for man's sins? Those are not messianic prophecies from the Hebrew Scriptures. It's obvious you have little to no understanding of who the Messiah will be and what he will accomplish. You err from the starting gate.



"I listened to the video and it seems to me that guy was waiting for something more suitable too."

He's not. He painstakingly goes through the Tanakh's prophecies, descriptions and qualifications for the Jewish Moshiach.



"He expects from Jesus what he doesn't expect from the future messiah. Listen to him……he’s full of contradictions!"

He expects nothing from jesus. The complete purpose of the video is to show how jesus IS NOT in the Hebrew Scriptures. Please check the title of this thread to refresh your memory. He contradicted nothing.



"A messiah comes to rescue a people from impending doom"

WRONG. There is no impending doom. The Jewish people are not waiting for a "savior." That is the christian spin on the JEWISH Messiah.



"The world is soaked in tears and materialism; the balance between good and evil is off the charts. There needed to be a reversal."

The world never changed after jesus came. There has been tears and materialism all the way back to Adam. There was no "reversal" except what you imagine. Your jesus changed nothing.



"THAT guy won't accept any Prophet-Messiah unless he meets HIS "customized" ideal."

Wrong. I will reiterate once again, he simply points out verse by verse, line by line how jesus is NOT in the Hebrew Scriptures. That is the purpose of his essay. He does not interject any personal preferences or "customization." It was YOU that said YOU were waiting for someone more "suitable for your time." Was "your time" over 2,000 years ago? Doubtful.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: "Like what? That he will ride a donkey?"

NO. Anyone can ride a donkey. In Jerusalem, they sell donkey rides. Jesus didn't buy a ride and neither did I.

I saw Jesus for who He was without using any prophecies at all. Didn't need them because that was already a done thing. I don't need a prophecy to appreciate *your* character or that of the guy in the video; likewise, I didn't need one for Jesus.

Some people think spiritual vision ends on a calendar date! How one interprets those visions depends on when they're living in history. I didn't look into the long reaches of the past to see if a prophecy to the future has been fulfilled because I AM the Jewish future.

Jews wouldn't be speaking of a Messiah if there wouldn't be one. The text says so.

The OT prophecies I was referring to are the ones the Jews (other than you) seem to be applying themselves to - that is, the specific visions that stretch much further into the future from the time of Jesus. Those align with a few of the New Testament prophecies. That means, there was more to come and be fulfilled *after* Jesus. In this, we should agree.

The Christians are no longer waiting for Christ's return - they just say they are but betray themselves by saying "All we need is Jesus". I've heard them say it many times.

Maybe you should confess too - all you need is Moses, right?
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Jaguar Essence
Jaguar Essence: Zanjan, I'm happy and content with your spiritual path ans how you experience and relate to it; HOWEVER, your path ISN'T of a Jew. I have no issue with you relating to Jesus, I have no issue with your human experience, BUT I have an issue you telling me how to experience my spiritual path when we as Jews don't go and tell you how to interpret your scriptures.

So this is a matter of knowing each of one's place, you are not a Jew you don't dictate my experience and how to interpret the Torah/Tanakh which is for the Jews and to the Jews only. However, I have no objection you mutating the interpretation to suit your needs as what ever you needed to be to make sense of your spiritual path; but you don't have the knowledge nor the tools to comprehend how the keepers of the Torah (Jews) relate to G-d, so go head continue and try to fool yourself and someone else that you are knowledgeable about and above the knowledge of the Torah keepers (Jews), because here you are another clown showing your ignorance by merging your mutated version of interpretation to what has nothing to do with the Torah/Tanakh.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: I wasn't speaking to you, Jaguar. I was responding to DNC's questions, not telling anyone anything. I sincerely doubt you know anything about MY scriptures. Since you're on the Jewish path, you're not reading them.

Those in MY religion are forbidden by religious law ( written in our scriptures) to "interpret" any scriptures for anyone. We don't have that authority - only a Prophet of God can do so. This is why you wont find me doing that.
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Jaguar Essence
Jaguar Essence: The topic is "Why Jews don't believe in Jesus," I am a Jew so your response to DNC is mine too.

I saw you interpreting and deriding what DNC and the Rabbi were explaining DIRECTLY and ELOQUENTLY to you, by fusing your mutated version and experience, which has absolutely nothing to do with ours. If you had said, "Even though I'm not a Jew and have a different perspective of the Torah/Tanakh as you guys do, I see Jesus as so and such, you have my path and I have mine we can agree to disagree."
This type of language shows that you are an individual who doesn't need my/our validation as a Jew(s), nor you're nullifying my experience over yours just as it is intended by your religion.

I wish you total spiritual fulfillment in your path... L'CHAIM!!!!


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Jaguar Essence
Jaguar Essence: @ Zanjan
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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist: Zanjan, do you consider yourself a Jew? Your signals are mixed. Just a simple yes or no. No need for a long diatribe.
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Billie Ingle
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Jaguar: "I saw you interpreting and deriding what DNC and the Rabbi were explaining DIRECTLY and ELOQUENTLY to you"

I can drill holes in anyone's explanation I want (except the Prophets' ) This is a forum for discussion - not a protest march. So, lay down your cardboard poster and look at where you are.

I know why Jews, *as a body*, don't accept Jesus - no one has to tell me. I'm posting here because not everyone is beguiled by various interpretations of text. I'm here to locate agreement. Not all Jews are the same - I've met a bunch; you can only speak for yourself, not them. Each person is unique and not all Jews are lemmings.

Jesus is not my path - that doesn't give me an excuse to disrespect Him; quite the contrary...that's why I never call His words bullshit.

Furthermore, I have the freedom to choose my own words; as such, I won't formulate them as you desire. I own all the outcomes of those. Thank you for wishing me well in all my spiritual endeavours.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: DNC: "Zanjan, do you consider yourself a Jew? "

What, you don't recognize me? No problem - I'm fine with letting you decide what I am.
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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist: I knew you wouldn’t answer the question Zanjan. NVM.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: DNC, if you knew that, why ask? It's not like you answered MY question.

I guess we're square now.
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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist: I don't know if you're Jewish or not but I knew I wouldn't get a straight answer from you. And no, I don't "recognize" you. Enough detraction from the topic. Moving on.....
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