Why Jews don't believe in jesus (Page 5)

DontNeedChrist:

"To wit, the many types of Jews and denominations of Judaism. That only comes out of exclusion, separation, and disagreement. There's nothing to be"

There are no "denominations" in Judaism. Just different levels of observance. Compare to christianty's tens of thousands literal denominations that can't even agree on the basics of their faiths. That chasm has spawned countless wars for centuries between the christian sects. You know not what you type about Zanjan. You prove that with each and every post.

Zanjan: If what you say is true, there's no difference between Jews and Christians in action.

DontNeedChrist:

What does that even mean?????

Zanjan: While I agree with your previous post, don't pretend the Jews have never gone to war up to the present time. They've fought against their own people as well as Christians and Muslims too.

DontNeedChrist:
That's not what this forum thread is about. Start your own thread about infighting in religions.

Zanjan: You asked me what it meant. By your standards, you were out of line.

DontNeedChrist:

Start your own thread and stop derailing mine. Thank you.

Jaguar Essence: Zanjan has a tendency to go at each forum and create her own thread through her word salad. I have NEVER seen her to be direct and eloquent, always with biased ethical dishonesty.

rockmass: I watched the video, good reasoning.
It sounds like you have a deep understanding of the Jewish scriptures.
How do the Jews adhere to the law about the 80+ required yearly animal sacrifices?
The requirements are located at Numbers chapter 28 & 29.

DontNeedChrist: No Temple, no animal offerings. Prayer and repentance replace qorbonot until the Temple is rebuilt. The Prophet Hosea predicted this. Also, G-d has always accepted many other types of offerings besides animal sacrifice. G-d chooses the location for animal offerings, not man. Since the location He desires currently doesn’t exist, animal sacrifices are not offered today.

rockmass: So Hosea reprieved the Mosaic Law? You offer grain offerings 80+ times a year? Jewish offer grain offering on the Passover? No Temple no animal offerings, where is that located?

rockmass: I read this:
The task of adapting Judaism to its new Temple-less reality fell to Rabban Gamaliel II, head of the Jewish Assembly – the Sanhedrin. With regard to the Passover sacrifice, Gamaliel decreed that the sacrifice should continue in family homes, with each family sacrificing its own goat or sheep.

rockmass: Some Jews followed Gamaliel and continued to sacrifice goats and sheep in their homes on Passover; others didn’t and saw the practice as apostasy.

Within about two generations, the practice ceased when the anti-sacrifice camp assumed control and threatened to excommunicate those who practiced it. So, sometime in the second century C.E., Jews stopped the practice of sacrificing baby goats and sheep on Passover.

Sounds like Jews broke the Sanhedrin Law and God's Law.

DontNeedChrist:

Hosea 3:4 - “For the children of Israel shall remain for many days, having neither king, nor prince, nor sacrifice, nor pillar, nor ephod nor teraphim.”

Hosea did not “reprieve” Mosaic Law. He prophesied the destruction of the Temple and its consequences.

DontNeedChrist: Hosea 14:3 - “Take words with yourselves and return to the Lord. Say, "You shall forgive all iniquity and teach us [the] good [way], and let us render [for] bulls [the offering of] our lips.”

Offering of our lips means prayer and repentance. “Bulls” means animal sacrifice.

rockmass: This is interesting because that Law was written when there was no temple.
I do not recollect Abraham having to have a location.
Where is the command for the location stated?

DontNeedChrist: G-d instructed Abraham to offer Isaac at a specific location. Not one of Abraham’s choosing. This is consistent throughout the scriptures. G-d chooses.

DontNeedChrist:

Genesis 22:2 - “And He said, "Please take your son, your only one, whom you love, yea, Isaac, and go away to the land of Moriah and bring him up there for a burnt offering on one of the mountains, of which I will tell you."

G-d chooses.

DontNeedChrist:

This is going off topic. Let’s please focus on the title of the thread.

rockmass: This is on topic. Because Jews claim they do not believe in Jesus, nevertheless they cease sacrificing against the Mosaic Law covenant, at a similar time that Christian Jews stopped sacrificing. Claiming prayer and repentance was only needed similarly to Christians. Despite having access to the locations to sacrifice. The Bible and history show other locations these sacrifices approved by God, Mizpah, and Ramah. But perhaps you are right, maybe that path is sealed up.

I just find it strange that Jewish words say you don't believe in Jesus, but your actions state that you changed. If you do not accept Jesus as the Christ, then your actions would reflect the same procedures. Nevertheless, because Jewish people have ceased those previous actions, because of a location or some other reason, speaks volumes. That it seems God gives value to Jesus sacrifice.

The world was affected by Jesus, everyone flinched, even some Jews. Yet the majority of Jews hold to their story and say they did not flinch. Yet here is evidence of change. Maybe it is a coincidence that a requirement that was performed thousands of years changed very close to the time Jewish Christians changed. Maybe it is a coincidence the same procedures the Jewish Christians took up or implemented, the Jews took up or implemented.

If there is someone else that the Jews would recognize and he is better than Jesus! Wow!
But, how would you prove the real Christ? Would he be accepted by all the Jews? How would he be treated?

I would think the most highly critical Jews would not all accept the real Christ. And what would they say after he leaves? Would they put up a video and make a chat room arguing against this new Christ, claiming that real proof is needed?

DontNeedChrist: First of all this is completely off topic. Secondly, there is no such thing as a “Jewish Christian.” Third, the proof needed that the TRUE Messiah has come will be the fulfillment of all the messianic prophecies from the Hebrew Scriptures of which jesus did not fulfill. When that happens, not just the Jews but the entire world will know he has come based on his accomplishments and not before.

DontNeedChrist: Also, your assertion that the qorbonot ceased at a similar time of the genesis of christianity is patently wrong. Temple offerings ceased between the time of the first and second Temples before christianity even existed. They continued some 40 years after his death before the second Temple’s destruction so there was no “flinch” as you claim.

rockmass: I mean Jews that turned Christian. Like Paul, Matthew, Luke, and others.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Christian
And your saying everyone will believe in the TRUE Messiah? Without argument! Wow!

I kind of disagree. Jews are having disagreements right now.
But they will all come to an agreement on the TRUE Messiah?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/04/opinion/sunday/israeli-jews-american-jews-divide.html
I mentioned this to someone they said "The Jews are always having disagreements"

There are people questioning if the earth is a sphere. There are also people questioning if man landed on the moon. Whenever you have any evidence, that evidence can be questioned and denied. So if the TRUE Messiah came and fulfilled all the messianic prophecies, when he leaves, I am sure there would be Jews denying he was the Messiah.

They put up a video and make a chat room arguing against this new Christ, claiming that real proof is needed?

rockmass: Between which years?