The Real Jesus.

Sage of Bryan: Over the centuries, there have been many depictions of Christ. From sculptures, to paintings, to movies. Most of these depictions portray Jesus as a man of about thirty years old. This is correct. Luke.3:23. tells us that Jesus was about thirty years old when He was baptized and began His ministry.

These institutions also portray Jesus as a white skinned, sometimes tanned, man.Sometimes with a beard, sometimes without. most always he is depicted as having long hair. This comes from the assumption that Jesus was a Nazarite.

The Nazarite vows ruled that one could not drink wine nor strong drink, could not cut their hair and could not touch a dead body. But if Jesus was Nazarite, he broke all his vows. Luke.7:34. He drank wine. Luke.9:49,54.He touched dead bodies. 1 Cor.11:14. He had short hair.

Jesus looked like any other Jew of his day. John.8:59. He was so indistinguishable that he could get lost in a crowd. Even Judas had to kiss him to point him out to those who came to arrest him

He was a Nazarene. Although born in Bethlehem, he was raised in Nazareth around the sea of Galilee. Isaiah.53:2. tells us that he was not overly handsome.

But, we need not over tax ourselves about what Christ looked like. We should ask God for understanding of the words of Christ, and ask for help in applying those words in our life.

Angry Beaver: Jeebers!

Zanjan: "Isaiah.53"

This particular chapter wasn't a reference to Jesus. He was talking about Zoroaster - the only Revelator Who fits the description perfectly, and Who lived near the time of Isaiah.

Zanjan: For what it's worth, every Prophet of God has suffered and every Revelator was rejected by His own people in His time and place. This should go without saying, albeit, Jesus reminded them anyway.

The difference is in the details.

NoSuchName: Jefferson Bethke


What if I told you Jesus came to abolish religion? What if I told you voting Republican really wasn't his mission? What if I told you Republican doesn't automatically mean Christian, and just because you call some people blind, doesn't automatically give you vision?

I mean, if religion is so great, why has it started so many wars? Why does it build huge churches but fails to feed the poor? Tell single moms God doesn't love them if they've ever had a divorce? But in the Old Testament, God actually calls religious people whores.

Religion might preach grace, but another thing they practice. Tend to ridicule God's people. They did it to John the Baptist. They can't fix their problems, and so they just mask it, not realizing religion's like spraying perfume on a casket.

See, the problem with religion is it never gets to the core. It's just behavior modification like a long list of chores. Like let's dress up the outside, make it look nice and neat, but it's funny that's what they used to do to mummies while the corpse rots underneath.

Now I ain't judging. I'm just saying, quit putting on a fake look, cause there's a problem if people only know you're a Christian by your Facebook. I mean, in every other aspect of life, you know that logic's unworthy. It's like saying you play for the Lakers just because you bought a jersey.

See this was me too, but no one seemed to be on to me. Acting like a church kid while addicted to pornography. See on Sunday, I'd go to church but Saturday getting faded, acted as if I was simply created just to have sex and get wasted. See I spent my whole life building this facade of neatness, but now that I know Jesus, I boast in my weakness.

Because if grace is water, then the church should be an ocean. It's not a museum for good people. It's a hospital for the broken. Which means I don't have to hide my failure. I don't have to hide my sin. Cause it doesn't depend on me. It depends on him.

See because when I was God's enemy and certainly not a fan, He looked down and said, "I want that man." Which is why Jesus hated religion, and for it he called them fools. Don't you see so much better, than just following some rules.

Now let me clarify. I love the church, I love the Bible, and yes I believe in sin. But if Jesus came to your church, would they actually let him in? See remember he was called a glutton and a drunkard by religious men. But the Son of God never supports self-righteousness, not now, not then.

Now back to the point. One thing is vital to mention, how Jesus and religion are on opposite spectrums. See one's the work of God, but one's a man-made invention. See one is the cure, but the other's the infection.

See because religion says do. Jesus says done. Religion says slave. Jesus says son. Religion puts you in bondage while Jesus sets you free. Religion makes you blind, but Jesus makes you see.

And that's why religion and Jesus are two different clans. Religion is man searching for God. Christianity is God searching for man. Which is why salvation is freely mine. And forgiveness is my own. Not based on my merits, but Jesus' obedience alone.

Because he took the crown of thorns and the blood dripped down his face. He took what we all deserved. I guess that's why you call it grace. And while being murdered, he yelled, "Father forgive them. They know not what they do." Because when he was dangling on that cross, he was thinking of you. And he absorbed all your sin, and he buried it in the tomb, which is why I'm kneeling at the cross saying, "Come on, there's room."

So for religion, know I hate it. In fact I literally resent it. Because when Jesus said, "It is finished," I believe he meant it.

Yeah, I like that idea

Zanjan: Jesus never hated religion. If He had, He'd have been an atheist.

You don't need to confess your sins to others. People can see them all spread out before you like a picnic lunch on a blanket in the grass.

I have a question: If Jesus hadn't been martyred, would you still believe in Him?

Sage of Bryan: If Jesus hadn't been martyred, he wouldn't have been Jesus. You're comparing apples to oranges.

Zanjan: The name "Jesus" doesn't mean "martyrdom". But, if it did, then let's compare Jesus's martyrdom to other believers that were martyred. In some instances, their deaths had also been prophesied. In some instances, their remains were never found, or acknowledged to have been found.

However, isn't it a curious thing that both Paul's remains and the family tomb of Jesus were just recently discovered? Also recently discovered - Herod's tomb and Caiaphas's bone box, with used crucifixion nails thrown in....quite the balance. All we had to do was wait 2 thousand years and voila! Another revelation.

A man's holiness is not governed by death, since all living beings will die. No one escapes. Holiness is reflected in the ability to rise above a lower state of being, under all conditions, regardless of circumstances.

GeraldtheGnome: There are errors in this forum. The real Jesus is anyone who actually was born and got named Jesus, not someone who was never born and is now named Jesus.

GeraldtheGnome: The Greek Jews have a lot to answer for, making up a new Messiah and all that. It's not like there's other imaginary gods like Jesus in other religions. I got that wrong, there really are imaginary gods like the one that the Greek Jews did not name Jesus. Christianity started off as a cult of Judaism, in a sense it still is a cult of it.

Apokalupto:

John 12:38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? (From Isaiah 53:1)

Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? (From Isaiah 53:1)

Matthew 8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses. (From Isaiah 53:4)

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. (From Isaiah 53:5)

1 Peter 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: (From Isaiah 53:9)

Mark 15:28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors. (From Isaiah 53:12)

Luke 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. (From Isaiah 53:12)

All about Jesus

GeraldtheGnome: The word and should never be at the start of a sentence. There were some other grammatical errors too. Fictional people and anonymous authors. He wasn’t originally named Jesus and he’s just a made up god for a religious story.

GeraldtheGnome: Wait. Is this guy named Jesus or does he have the Hebrew or Greek name about that god ? Unless of course Apokalupto is really named Jesus since I think it's a common as muck name in that country, like maybe every second male is named that there.