Muslim women and the hijab Zanjan: Why would anyone pay any attention to juvenile swats? I didn't finish watching the video because the point was made in the first minute; no need to listen to repetitious trash. Is there some reason she couldn't delete nasty, godless comments? It's her video, she has control of it and can set permissions to prevent comments or moderate them.........notice the absence of anything she, herself, wrote so we're left wondering what she said to illicit such a long string of vehemence with nary a thumbs up. What is to be gained by preserving mean-spirited remarks? Muslims all know about Muslim denominations which don't require wearing the hijab or any other distinctive clothing (apart from the clergy). The world is rife with ignorance but much more plagued with those who refuse to learn. (Edited by Zanjan)  Angry Beaver: She just wants to become a you tube sensation by being a whiney little entitled girl lol  (Post deleted by Billie Ingle )  firstdown857: XxEllipsisxX 1. AN ACT OF OBEDIENCE The hijab is an act of obedience to Allah and to his prophet (pbuh), Allah says in the Qur'an: `It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His messenger have decreed a matter that they should have an option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, has indeed strayed in a plain error.' (S33:36). Allah also said: 'And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things) and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc) and not to show off their adornment except what must (ordinarily) appear thereof, that they should draw their veils over their Juyubihinna.'(S24:31). Juyubihinna: The respected scholars from As-Salaf As-Saleh (righteous predecessors) differed whether the veil cover of the body must include the hands and face or not. Today, respected s cholars say that the hands and face must be covered. Other respected scholars say it is preferable for women to cover their whole bodies. 2. THE HIJAB IS IFFAH (MODESTY) Allah (subhana wa'atala) made the adherence to the hijab a manifestation for chastity and modesty. Allah says: 'O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) over their bodies (when outdoors). That is most convenient that they should be known and not molested.' (S33:59). In the above Ayaah there is an evidence that the recognition of the apparent beauty of the woman is harmful to her. When the cause of attraction ends, the restriction is removed. This is illustrated in the case of elderly women who may have lost every aspect of attraction. Allah (swt) made it permissible for them to lay aside their outer garments and expose their faces and hands reminding, however, that is still better for them to keep their modesty. 3. THE HIJAB IS TAHARA (PURITY) Allah (swt) had shown us the hikma (wisdom) behind the legislation of the hijab: `And when you ask them (the Prophet's wives) for anything you want, ask them from behind a screen, that is purer for your hearts and their hearts.' (S33:53). The hijab makes for greater purity for the hearts of believing men and women because it screens against the desire of the heart. Without the hijab, the heart may or may not desire. That is why the heart is more pure when the sight is blocked (by hijab) and thus the prevention of fitna (evil actions is very much manifested. The hijab cuts off the ill thoughts and the greed of the sick hearts: `Be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy or evil desire for adultery, etc) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honourable manner.' (S33:32) 4. THE HIJAB IS A SHIELD The prophet (pbuh) said: "Allah, Most High, is Heaven, is Ha'yeii (Bashful), Sit'teer (Shielder). He loves Haya' (Bashfulness) and Sitr (Shielding; Covering)." The Prophet (pbuh) also said: "Any woman who takes off her clothes in other than her husband's house (to show off for unlawful purposes), has broken Allah's shield upon her. "The hadith demonstrates that depending upon the kind of action committed there will be either reward (if good) or punishment (if bad). 5. THE HIJAB IS TAQWAH (RIGHTEOUSNESS) Allah (swt) says in the Qur'an: `O children of Adam! We have bestowed raiment upon you to cover yourselves (screen your private parts, etc) and as an adornment. But the raiment of righteousness, that is better.'(S7:26). The widespread forms of dresses in the world today are mostly for show off and hardly taken as a cover and shield of the woman's body. To the believing women, however the purpose is to safeguard their bodies and cover their private parts as a manifestation of the order of Allah. It is an act of Taqwah (righteousness). 6. THE HIJAB IS EEMMAN (BELIER OR FAITH) Allah (swt) did not address His words about the hijab except to the believing women, Al-Mo'minat. In many cases in the Qur'an Allah refers to the "the believing women". Aisha (RA), the wife of the prophet (pbuh), addressed some women from the tribe of Banu Tameem who came to visit her and had light clothes on them, they were improperly dressed: "If indeed you are believing women, then truly this is not the dress of the believing women, and if you are not believing women, then enjoy it." 7. THE HIJAB IS HAYA' (BASHFULNESS) There are two authentic hadith which state: "Each religion has a morality and the morality of Islam is haya'" AND "Bashfulness is from belief, and belief is in Al-Jannah (paradise)". The hij ab fits the natural bashfulness which is a part of the nature of women. 8. THE HIJAB IS GHEEERAH The hijab fits the natural feeling of Gheerah, which is intrinsic in the straight man who does not like people to look at his wife or daughters. Gheerah is a driving emotion that drives the straight man to safeguard women who are related to him from strangers. The straight MUSLIM man has Gheerah for ALL MUSLIM women In response to lust and desire, men look (with desire) at other women while they do not mind that other men do the same to their wives or daughters. The mixing of sexes and absence of hijab destroys the Gheera in men. Islam considers Gheerah an integral part of faith. The dignity of the wife or daughter or any other Muslim woman must be highly respected and defended. 1. AN ACT OF OBEDIENCE The hijab is an act of obedience to Allah and to his prophet (pbuh), Allah says in the Qur'an: `It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His messenger have decreed a matter that they should have an option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, has indeed strayed in a plain error.' (S33:36). Allah also said: 'And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things) and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc) and not to show off their adornment except what must (ordinarily) appear thereof, that they should draw their veils over their Juyubihinna.'(S24:31). Juyubihinna: The respected scholars from As-Salaf As-Saleh (righteous predecessors) differed whether the veil cover of the body must include the hands and face or not. Today, respected scholars say that the hands and face must be covered. Other respected scholars say it is preferable for women to cover their whole bodies. 2. THE HIJAB IS IFFAH (MODESTY) Allah (subhana wa'atala) made the adherence to the hijab a manifestation for chastity and modesty. Allah says: 'O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) over their bodies (when outdoors). That is most convenient that they should be known and not molested.' (S33:59). In the above Ayaah there is an evidence that the recognition of the apparent beauty of the woman is harmful to her. When the cause of attraction ends, the restriction is removed. This is illustrated in the case of elderly women who may have lost every aspect of attraction. Allah (swt) made it permissible for them to lay aside their outer garments and expose their faces and hands reminding, however, that is still better for them to keep their modesty. 3. THE HIJAB IS TAHARA (PURITY) Allah (swt) had shown us the hikma (wisdom) behind the legislation of the hijab: `And when you ask them (the Prophet's wives) for anything you want, ask them from behind a screen, that is purer for your hearts and their hearts.' (S33:53). The hijab makes for greater purity for the hearts of believing men and women because it screens against the desire of the heart. Without the hijab, the heart may or may not desire. That is why the heart is more pure when the sight is blocked (by hijab) and thus the prevention of fitna (evil actions is very much manifested. The hijab cuts off the ill thoughts and the greed of the sick hearts: `Be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy or evil desire for adultery, etc) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honourable manner.' (S33:32) 4. THE HIJAB IS A SHIELD The prophet (pbuh) said: "Allah, Most High, is Heaven, is Ha'yeii (Bashful), Sit'teer (Shielder). He loves Haya' (Bashfulness) and Sitr (Shielding; Covering)." The Prophet (pbuh) also said: "Any woman who takes off her clothes in other than her husband's house (to show off for unlawful purposes) , has broken Allah's shield upon her. "The hadith demonstrates that depending upon the kind of action committed there will be either reward (if good) or punishment (if bad). 5. THE HIJAB IS TAQWAH (RIGHTEOUSNESS) Allah (swt) says in the Qur'an: `O children of Adam! We have bestowed raiment upon you to cover yourselves (screen your private parts, etc) and as an adornment. But the raiment of righteousness, that is better.'(S7:26). The widespread forms of dresses in the world today are mostly for show off and hardly taken as a cover and shield of the woman's body. To the believing women, however the purpose is to safeguard their bodies and cover their private parts as a manifestation of the order of Allah. It is an act of Taqwah (righteousness). 6. THE HIJAB IS EEMMAN (BELIER OR FAITH) Allah (swt) did not address His words about the hijab except to the believing women, Al-Mo'minat. In many cases in the Qur'an Allah refers to the "the believing women". Aisha (RA), the wife of the prophet (pbuh), addressed some women from the tribe of Banu Tameem who came to visit her and had light clothes on them, they were improperly dressed: "If indeed you are believing women, then truly this is not the dress of the believing women, and if you are not believing women, then enjoy it." 7. THE HIJAB IS HAYA' (BASHFULNESS) There are two authentic hadith which state: "Each religion has a morality and the morality of Islam is haya'" AND "Bashfulness is from belief, and belief is in Al-Jannah (paradise)". The hijab fits the natural bashfulness which is a part of the nature of women. 8. THE HIJAB IS GHEEERAH The hijab fits the natural feeling of Gheerah, which is intrinsic in the straight man who does not like people to look at his wife or daughters. G heerah is a driving emotion that drives the straight man to safeguard women who are related to him from strangers. The straight MUSLIM man has Gheerah for ALL MUSLIM women In response to lust and desire, men look (with desire) at other women while they do not mind that other men do the same to their wives or daughters. The mixing of sexes and absence of hijab destroys the Gheera in men. Islam considers Gheerah an integral part of faith. The dignity of the wife or daughter or any other Muslim woman must be highly respected and defended. Zanjan: "The hijab cuts off the ill thoughts and the greed of the sick hearts:" Total bull. I see your eyes, I hear what comes from your lips. I observe your actions. Your hijab does nothing for me or you - it doesn't serve to mask your soul. The hijab is to honour God. All believers in every religion of God are to practice modesty - man and woman alike, in both speech, appearance and deed. That means no extremes, nothing that will draw attention to yourselves. The devout are not a circus act. When you cover yourself in a bag, head to toe, you're hiding from reality, too weak to deal with it. You lack courage to establish order and teach your children to be just. It's true that a woman who has a lot of physical beauty will constantly find men hitting on her, regardless of how modest she is - it's terribly annoying but she should learn how to turn men away. Speaking from personal experience (when I was younger), it's VERY easy. Normally, it's easier when one has a husband (one of the reasons for polygamy in Islam) but even there, many men lack respect and still try....even married men. Of course, there's rapists - that's why you don't walk alone down dark alleys and why you lock your doors. Even old women get raped because rape is an act of contempt/hatred. I have nothing against the hijab but let's not pretend it has magical powers. The problem is with the men. What law keeps the men at bay? What apparel pretends to advertise their chastity? (Edited by Zanjan) firstdown857: Zanjan😬 THE HIJAAB ( HEAD COVER ) "But every woman that prayed or prophesized with her head uncovered dishonoured her head. For if the woman be not covered let her also be shaven. But if it be a shame for a woman to be shaven, let her be covered." (1 Corinthians 11:5-6) "..So She (Rebecca) took her VEIL and she covered herself up " (Genesis 24:62-65) "Women are not to wear men's clothing and men are not to wear women's clothing. The Lord your God hates people who do such things" (Deuteronomy 22:5) 😖 "Do not use outward aids to make yourself beautiful through the way you do your hair or the jewellery you put on or the dresses you wear " (1 Peter 3:3-4) Zanjan: The above Biblical verses were addressing the way to show respect for others in that culture. An example: Degree of intelligence runs along the *average mean*, which is fairly low in any population. If the child in grade school is very, very smart and wise, that's an extreme - the immature will mock and attack him out of jealousy. Thus, the child learns, while still young, to keep his knowledge to himself because the others can't appreciate it.....he'll blend in at their level and converse only on things they're familiar with. As the Bible says, "Don't throw your pearls before swine". If Rebecca veiled herself, you'd have to show proof she did it with cloth. In a spiritual book, there are spiritual veils. There's also veils between this world and the next - traditionally, it's seven but only God can lift them for the individual. Traditionally, the cloth veil (very thin material over the face) was used in pagan cultures only by a person of royal lineage..that is, a princess. When she passed by, **everyone** had to back off as a mark of respect for her rank. Like the Queen of England, the protocol is not to touch her body, even accidentally, or turn your back to her either. You must back away, facing her. She's Christian, you know. The veil wasn't a head covering. Later, it was used in dance to lend mystery to the dancer's mind and feelings, and to hide the grief-stricken face of a survivor at a funeral. The second last verse wasn't talking about fashion - it's referring to cross-dressers, which is either a sexual fetish or the individual is demonstrating displeasure with their own birth gender. The wearing of the wrong gender-related clothing in public is intended to deceive. Times have changed - today, apparel is nearly unisex, even many hairstyles. You might be hard-pressed to determine if someone was gay or not by that but it does make it less painful for the transgendered - that didn't exist until the 20th century. (Edited by Zanjan) Zanjan: In short, if you wear the hijab in public today, you're not showing respect for the rest of us (our culture) - you're showing respect for Muslim men and for yourself. On the other hand, if you wear a head covering into a House of Worship, you're showing respect for God......but you'd better get the culture down right. In some Houses of Worship, it's disrespectful to God to wear a head covering. I remember when it used to be disrespectful to wear hats in restaurants, homes and movie theaters. Our culture has changed but people still use clothing to advertise what religion they ascribe to. In my experience, that doesn't invite questions. Don't confuse culture with religion. By the way, hijabs accentuate the facial features - some hijabs are quite colourful and pretty, complimenting one's features nicely. (Edited by Zanjan)  edmund_carey: Firstdown forgot to include THE HIJAB IS A SYMBOL OF FEMALE INFERIORITY AND SUBJECTION TO MEN. Because not only is that what it is, it is completely compatible with everything he did include. Zanjan: You're right - what it means to the wearer and what it means to the general public are different. What we do about it is more important. Can we show how a behaviour causes harm to the individual or to others? You bet. No one has proven the hijab causes harm. So, if either the wearer or the observer rises up and complains, they're wrong because they're the stirrers of sedition - that's far worse. The burka is a different situation - it's a cultural defect because it can't be tolerated everywhere. In every case, it's a total barrier, involving a host of other relinquished privileges - quite inhuman. Such people must think very badly of themselves to permit it. Deliberate abuse is a sign of serious spiritual disease. . In North America, there's something seriously wrong with someone who insists on hiding their identity - regardless of their excuse, they're always up to no good. The government legislates that everyone must provide visual identity to authorities - only corruption holds a double standard. To demand special treatment is to be unfair; whereas, an exclusion is a ticket to commit something wicked. (Edited by Zanjan) firstdown857: Edmund_carey. I'm not sure if you do believe in the bible or not . If you do remember It is the Bible which forms the foundation of Christian belief. If not i have nothing to respone to ur coment  xylance: This is typical without her hijab (piece of material) she lost all respect from fellow Muslims. No consideration or respect for her humanity or person. No worry about the vile language they use to chastise her....no reasoning just verbal abuse. So basically they don't respect women they respect material and lots of it. It's irrelevant what's underneath they are too bland to see passed a piece of material.
firstdown857: Hijaab "But every woman that prayed or prophesized with her head uncovered dishonoured her head. For if the woman be not covered let her also be shaven. But if it be a shame for a woman to be shaven, let her be covered." (1 Corinthians 11:5-6) "..So She (Rebecca) took her VEIL and she covered herself up " (Genesis 24:62-65) "Women are not to wear men's clothing and men are not to wear women's clothing. The Lord your God hates people who do such things" (Deuteronomy 22:5) "Do not use outward aids to make yourself beautiful through the way you do your hair or the jewellery you put on or the dresses you wear " (1 Peter 3:3-4) Allah said: "O Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and the women of the believers to draw their veils all over their bodies. That will better, that they should be known so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful" (Quran 33:59) edmund_carey: The important thing being that those who look to the Bible for their religious conceptions don't require this, today. They just consider it an ancient thing, and, seeing no reason to force their women to submit to a symbol of their inferiority to men, have long since dropped the custom. firstdown857: Edmond. It is the Bible which forms the foundation of Christian belief. Admittedly these books have been written by a large number of authors, known and unknown. But those authors are believed to have been inspired by God and they wrote the books under the supervision and guidance of God; hence the Bible is referred to as The Word of God. The Christians quote the following verse from the Bible as proof that the Bible is the word of God; 16: All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 2 Timothy 3:16...................... Any thing out of the bible is INNOVISIONS & Be rejected Zanjan: "God-breathed" was the term used for "the spirit of life". The term used for the Word of God was "The Word". Not the same thing. Inspiration is something different altogether. Scientists and artists are inspired. Philanthropists and humanitarians are inspired. New achievements of any kind are inspired. These people find their inspiration from different sources. For example, it's not what Paul said but what he did - his persistent travels and devotion to teaching the faith, provided the inspiration for missionaries and would-be heroes to do the same. One doesn't have to belong to the same religion to appreciate that tireless effort. Pure-hearted souls are inspired by the Word of God. They meditate on those Words and understanding is realized so they can act rightly, adjusting their own behaviour. The DESIRE to do this is God-breathed. The "Word of God" is NOT inspiration - it's God's own Voice, which only comes from a Revelator. It's a creative force. The Bible is a holy book - it's also a historical narrative, filled with accounts of battles, descriptions of cultural practices, prophecies, dreams, conversations, and individuals responding to the Revelation of both Moses and Jesus in different ways - both positive and negative. Whereas, the Quran is 100% the Word of God - it's not a report. This is strictly Revelation; the only author is Muhammad, a Revelator. It has never been updated by anyone, not even by translators. A civilization was built on the Quran. FACT is what one uses for proof, not somebody's interpretation. (Edited by Zanjan) edmund_carey: I confess I don't know what "Any thing out of the bible is INNOVISIONS & Be rejected" means, although it does seem like a good reason not to take lessons from Muslims in how to read Christian Scripture. If it means "everything not originating in the Bible is an innovation and must be rejected" it is, as I just said, precisely what Jews and Christians do NOT think. "God breathed" means inspired by God, which means that God moved a human author to write it. It does not mean that every word in the Bible is an eternal and infallible Divine commandment. That is a Muslim conception of how to read Scripture (their own). Jews and Christians (mostly) do not adhere to it. Zanjan: Yet Jews and Christians still think the saints are infallible and refuse to accept their Books have never been authenticated, nor can they ever be. This is just pure stubborness - that blocks inspiration. If you re-read the quote from Timothy, it says ALL scripture, not naming names. The world has 8 independent sets of scripture. Only TWO of these comprise the Bible. (Edited by Zanjan) The flying Squirrel: Well Then Why do Sunny and Shia Muslims , Disagree with each other who Has The correct Inturpretaion , they even go far as Killing each other as Opostates No Koran is False  | Religion Chat Room 42 People Chatting Similar Conversations |