Jesus is not God (Page 4) The flying Squirrel: No can't you read DNC I said Trucker doesn't hate jews . He wants them to come to the Realisation that Jesus is the true King of Isreal And only through him can people find salvation Thats a bit different than Hate DNC noce try lol  (Post deleted by DontNeedChrist ) SandraLee62: no offense Brian but I saw Trucker in the room many times. He is nothing but a hate filled person. (Post deleted by DontNeedChrist ) The flying Squirrel: Well that's what I thought he meant DNC I donno but truckers not here so not really fair . Any hoo (Post deleted by DontNeedChrist ) SandraLee62: if you want to see him go in the Religion room. Or one of the sleezy rooms he picks up women in The flying Squirrel: So throw out the gospels. You al reckon you all know better than them . Fair enough doesn't sound too wise to me   rockmass: Trinitarians take the easy way to hit a bull's eye. This stems from the way the Trinitarian passages have been mined. Instead of objectively reading the scriptures. Trinitarians approach the scriptures with a preconceived notion or conclusion in mind. They perceive from the outset that Jesus is God then paint a bull's eye around the arrow. As a result, the meaning of the scriptures has been distorted in order to shoehorn Jesus as God. If we wear red tinted glasses, everything we see will be red, similarly when Trinitarians read the Bible with Trinity glasses, this colors everything they read. rockmass: If you read the scriptures objectively you will clearly see that Jesus is not God, but a servant sent by God.  Zanjan: Squirrel: "So throw out the gospels. " Actually, I've never needed them after I turned 6 years old. I only refer to them here because that's all most of the public knows about or are aware of. Kudos to those who've correctly memorized them - that can be helpful at certain times. However, it would be better if they understood well a few of the passages from Christ's own Words; if they do that, they don't need all the rest. Zanjan: If you don't know about other people's scriptures and cultures, you wont know where they're coming from and can't speak their language. In that case, how could you even suggest you're better or more qualified than they are? Conversely, if you know all the world's scriptures and cultures to go with them, then you can speak anyone's religious language. That's what "speaking in tongues" meant. In that case, one isn't necessarily better than the others but they do have a powerful advantage. Wherever a religion of God disagrees with another, it's the people who misunderstand. Reality is universal but truth is relative. There's NOTHING in any of those religious texts that even remotely implies the Revelators were not humans. Likewise, all texts copiously illustrate how GOD is NOT a human. No human creates himself; thus, Jesus didn't create Himself either. While it may be hard to wrap one's head around, God is "unborn" and never "dies"; He doesn't approach or depart. Nothing we say can change that. (Edited by Zanjan)  shadowline: The initiator of this thread declares that the Trinity is illogical and unscriptural. But Christianity has always taught that the Trinity is a mystery, as is to be expected of Divine things beyond human comprehension. Christianity has never maintained either that the Trinity makes the kind of sense that the Pythagorean Theorem does, or that Divine things are always amenable to human reason. That is why God had to reveal Himself, in Christian belief. If everything to do with the Creator of All and Everything was as clear as glass, revelation wouldn't have been necessary at all. And I'm pretty sure that any Jew or Muslim would agree with that. As for Scripture, as I have explained, the only possible response to that when Christian doctrine was being formulated was that the Father of whom Christ speaks, the Son who is clearly designated as Divine, and the Holy Spirit who is frequently (albeit somewhat mysteriously) referred to as being in the role and position of God, must all be manifestations of the God Who revealed Himself to Israel, and, through Christ, to the world. Christ himself unequivocally confirms this when he instructs his followers at the end of his time on earth: "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the very end of the world." Matthew 28: 19-20. where the three persons, the three persons of whom the reader has heard throughout the Gospels, are unmistakably shown to be the equals of one another, bearing the same name, the name in which believers are baptized. Only in God's name are believers to be baptized. (Edited by shadowline) Zanjan: "But Christianity has always taught that the Trinity is a mystery," Christianity doesn't teach that, clergy does. If the nature of a thing were a mystery to man, Christ would have warned "X is a mystery", as a cautionary. That being so, it couldn't be understood by anyone other than a Revelator, and maybe not even Him. For example, scriptural text repeatedly states "God is unknowable and incomprehensible". The Old Testament backs that up; to Moses and His people, God said "Thou shalt never see My Face". New Testament: "he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen" (1 Timothy 6:15,16). Neither word "Trinity" or "godhead" was used in text. From the text, we know that Jesus didn't see God either. However, He heard His Voice, which only a Revelator can do. Your citation doesn't describe anyone or any thing. Yet some people believe they can draw you a pictorial - by what means??? If there were any truth to a matter, other scriptures would have backed it up. Even mysteries have some facts. The only fact connected to the Trinity is that it was a pagan concept, borrowed by a Christian priest and squeezed into Christian officialdom as a political ploy. If it were a mystery, it could be explained to the ignorant and dull-witted by any of the informed thinkers. The Revelators never mention that which people can never understand. As Christ said, "I have more to tell you but you can't bear it now". (Edited by Zanjan) rockmass: The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L. The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126. Matthew 24:36 - "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." The son does not know the day and the hour. But some would say he is limited by his human existence, then why doesn't the Holy Spirit know the day and the hour? John 8:54 - "Jesus answered, "If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, 'He is our God';" Did Jesus glorify himself or not? John 20:17 - "Jesus said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'" Who is Jesus' God? Trinity is illogical and unscriptural. The flying Squirrel: Its Not Unlogical , Its because your reading the enclopedia Britania and every other man made sorce , And Not praying to god yourself for answers Rockmass Mat 24 It says Know One Knows but the Father alone, well prolly cos God wants people to be Obedient , Other wise people would Just go on sinning and doing what ever , Going oh theres heaps of time dont have to repent yet The Holy sprit is just a Mediator between god and man John 8 , No Jesus was God In the FLESH John 20 , Jesus sits at the right side of God You got to ask for your self Rockmass ,  your trying to put man made conditions or doctrine on things, I dnt know wheter your a Johavas witness , or your looking at things frow a Jewish perspective , Makes perfect sence to me any hoo Fater, son (Jesus) Holy ghost , Thers 3 , I dont know how you say its unscripual Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding. (Edited by The flying Squirrel) The flying Squirrel: So what you memorised the Gosphels by the age 6 Zanjan ,good for you Its all pointless Unless you Know what it means , How you Come up with Buladelh or who ever he is is Beyond me your doing exactly what jesus was preching About , Glorifying Yourself Your a verry decietfull person , you Twist things , Manipulation Is Evil  (Edited by The flying Squirrel) | Religion Chat Room 31 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
