LIES ABOUT THE TALMUD (Page 3)

amoregrowers: Zanjan the Talmud is a ongoing discussion between various Rabbis.

No matter what records were kept. They were censored by the church by changing the text or deleting text. Not to mention the countless burnings across europe. So apparently Rome considered the Talmud a valid and recognizable threat. Enron is a drop in the bucket compared to what Rome/Church did!!!

Thankfully this was not the Jews first rodeo. They consealed the wisdom if Israel where no human hands can destroy.

DontNeedChrist:

Zanjan, just like the other folks here who dismiss and disparage the Talmud, since you admittedly have not studied it, you have no business commenting on it in this thread.

Zanjan: DNC, I admittedly posted that I've read parts of it. Since I've read numerous portions, I've studied it well enough to form an opinion. The setting and style is consistent and doesn't improve - not in the beginning or in the end.

You don't have a grasp on my capabilities to absorb material and remember it.

Amore, it wasn't pagan Rome that burnt the Talmud. It was France, on instructions of the Pope in 1242. It began with a complaint from an excommunicated Jew. If there's tampering, you'd have to show where and how that tampering survived.

DontNeedChrist:

"I admittedly posted that I've read parts of it. Since I've read numerous portions of it, I've studied it well enough to form an opinion." – Zanjan

It takes a lifetime of STUDY to even remotely understand the Talmud. A casual "reading" of portions can only cause an erroneous "opinion." Since you are not Jewish, it's not meant for you anyway. This thread is about the lies that are propagated about this immense, complicated and misunderstood work. Let's keep on track please.

DontNeedChrist:

I'll get away with deleting all your ignorance. Stop trolling my threads.

Jaguar Essence: Well said, DNC.

DontNeedChrist:

THE CLAIM:
"To communicate anything with a "goy" about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly." – Libbre David 37

THE TEXT AND SUMMARY:
There is no such thing as "Libbre David." There is no such tractate in the Talmud, nor any such book or portion of a book in all of Jewish literature. It is a complete and total fabrication. A DECEITFUL LIE.

DontNeedChrist:

THE CLAIM:
"Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
– Schabouth Hag. 6b

THE TEXT AND SUMMARY:
As with the claim above, there is no such thing as Schabouth Hag. 6b. Another deceitful lie.

DontNeedChrist:

THE CLAIM:
"Jews must always try to deceive christians." – Zohar 1,160a

THE TEXT AND SUMMARY:
The Zohar is NOT the Talmud. It's a completely different religious work. Also, there is no such reference as Zohar 1,160a. Zohar references don’t have letters in them like Talmud references do. There is no passage in the Zohar about deceiving christians. In fact, the Zohar considers any deceit (no matter to whom it was directed) to be wrong. This is nothing but another fabrication.

DontNeedChrist:

THE CLAIM:
"A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (gentile). For he who returns lost property (to gentiles) sins against the law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of G-d, namely if by so doing christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people." – Choschen Ham 266,1

THE TEXT AND SUMMARY:
Choschen Ham 266,1 is not part of Talmud. There is no such book or tractate as Choschen Ham. It may be an abbreviation of Choshen HaMishpat, which is not part of Talmud either.

If it is Choshen HaMishpat that's intended, there is no such quote. If it is the Choshen Mishpat section of Rabbi Josef Karo that's intended, the passage in question is taken seriously out of context. It actually says that if a Jew owes a debt to a non-Jew then he MUST repay it, but if the non-Jew REFUSES repayment the Jew may fib to give the money back to the non-Jew.

DontNeedChrist:

THE CLAIM:
"Christians are people whose touch alone makes things unclean." – Abhodah Zarah (72b)

THE TALMUD TEXT:
"The Gemara relates: There was an incident involving a certain man who siphoned wine from a barrel with a large tube and a small tube. A gentile came and rested his hand upon the large tube. Rava deemed the entire quantity of wine forbidden, including the wine that was still in the barrel."

SUMMARY:
This is a lengthy discussion between various rabbis regarding the contamination of liquids. Wine just like many foods must be kosher (fit). Often, if wine or food is handled by non-Jews (NOT SPECIFICALLY CHRISTIANS) it could become contaminated through improper handling. Much of the conversation involves flow or backwash when siphoning wine or liquids from one vessel to another.

Mar Zutra, son of Rav Naḥman, says: For a Jew and a gentile to drink simultaneously from a vessel with tubes (straws) for several people to drink from [kenishkanin] IS PERMITTED. Such a device was used at the house of the exilarch, the Jewish governor in Babylonia. It is not surprising to hear that in such a place, Jews and non-Jews would drink together. In any case, the rabbis permitted, and maybe even used this device. Obviously if Jews and non-Jews are permitted to drink together using straws the claim that whatever christians touch is unclean is patently false.

Nowhere are “christians” specifically called out in this tractate. The terms gentile, heathen, pagan or goy are often used in the Talmud to identify NON-JEWISH people. It’s not meant to be derogatory. This portion of the Talmud does not state that anything christians touch makes things unclean.

God is real: why do you keep posting when nobody cares about the objections you can explain ? Try debunking those that you cant.Also why post when nobody else can respond.Such
nonsense

DontNeedChrist:

Go ahead and show me one I supposedly "can't" debunk but stay on topic. The thread is called "LIES ABOUT THE TALMUD."

Present a claim about the Talmud.

DontNeedChrist:

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