God doesn't exist (Page 3)

theHating: Even if it were a god-created reality, i have no reason not to expect it to operate according to the principles of quantum mechanics.

God is not an explanation for this.

Zanjan: God is incomprehensible to the human mind. Since He's pre-existent and we aren't, we can never grasp what that's like, can never describe it. He dwells outside of creation. Therefore, we can't examine this.

We can only examine what He does. We can see when God moves things and people; we can discover His laws but can only know Him through His Revelators. They tell us why God moves a certain way, why He made a certain law, what His plans are and our place in them.

You don't have to know the inside details of how He affects each thing to know what's going on. Suffice to say He made mankind to be lovers of knowledge so He's left us with enough mystery in the universe that we can have fun unraveling it bit by bit.

theHating: Why do you use such flowery language?

theHating: You do not seem to understand what i am asking for.

From another thread:

" A scientific theory must be:

a simple unifying idea that doesn't include anything unnecessary

logically consistent (contradictions aren't allowed)

***logically falsifiable (there must be possible or theoretical situations in which the theory would be invalid)***

limited, so it's clear whether data verifies, falsifies, or is irrelevant (i.e., it doesn't presume to explain absolutely everything)"

theHating: Its funny that you think i have a negative position when i have done nothing but held a scientific position this whole time.

theHating: "God is incomprehensible to the human mind. Since He's pre-existent and we aren't, we can never grasp what that's like, can never describe it. He dwells outside of creation. Therefore, we can't examine this."

Last Thursday-ism

theHating: In case you forgot how this works.

My claim is a scientific theory. It is fact and theory of fact that god doesnt exist.

It can be logically falsified by scientific evidence of god's existence.

theHating: A scientific theory must:

be empirically testable or lead to testable predictions or retrodictions (use present information or ideas to infer or explain a past event or state of affairs)

make verified predictions and/or retrodictions
lead to reproducible results so others can double-check

include criteria for determining whether data is factual, artifactual, anomalous or irrelevant

theHating: I predict there is no god, based on the theory of no-gods.

theHating: Sing the hymns with me and be saved!

I predict god has never existed, based on the theory of no-gods.

theHating: Wanna know how to disprove this one?

Scientific evidence for the existence of magic. If miracle workers were REAL, naturally ANND METAPHYSICALLY***, then lets see doctors cure children's cancer with prayer and incantation.

Well, i suppose its misleading to say just evidence of magic is sufficient to say god exists. We, in fact, require scientific evidence of god existing at some point in the past regardless if he exists now.

theHating: Let's sayism:

Maybe that doesnt sit well with you and you want to employ a team of sociologists to crack the code.

A scientific theory must:

resolve known problems, paradoxes, and/or anomalies that scientists haven't been able to deal with using past theories

create new problems and questions to work on

create a new paradigm or model to use when working on problems

provide concepts which help scientists deal with problems

Try to fit this into your revised alcoholism treatment seminars if you're still going to god with the so-called twelve step program.

theHating: Employ any team of study, name your method...

All I want to do is stop being an atheist

theHating: How about history? You got witness accounts and a geological record to match it? Let's take a look 8)

theHating: More let's sayism:

Satan made me do it, judge!

theHating: Good luck proving that one....

guided by natural laws and is explanatory by references to natural laws.

Science is testable against the empirical world.

Its conclusions are tentative, not the final word.

It is falsifiable.

theHating: You guys getting tired yet?

theHating: Im just getting started, really

vphaxg: ... It would be pretty hard to scientifically prove that I don't exist. Just saying.

theHating: belief is true when we are able to incorporate it in an orderly and logical manner into a larger and complex system of beliefs.

vphaxg: It is true when it is true, you just described a believable statement and why it is so.

vphaxg: Belief is the act of psychological investment that underpins knowledge. It has be correct, justifiable, and believed for you to be considered to know.

vphaxg: I altered the definition to make it abstractly absolute as it needs a minor refining but I won't pass around everything.

vphaxg: That is the textbook definition, I saw if three years ago? From an Australian University lesson??? I didn't actually need it, I had it all right but this way is more concise.

AchillesSinatra: "Try to fit this into your revised alcoholism treatment seminars if you're still going to god with the so-called twelve step program." - TheHating