How should Messianic believers in yeshua observe Yom Kippur ? Zanjan: Seems to me they can fast whenever they want to, as long as it's performed properly, and in the right spirit of the exercise. The calendar date is only a reminder.  Apokalupto: Well, you don't fast, that's for sure. How to observe the Lords support. (Edited by Apokalupto) Zanjan: Oh man, such a lot of repetition to say nothing. That isn't about fasting. Besides, Jesus didn't pronounce a specific time for holding communion. Since time immemorial, people fasted as a sign of mourning. They'd perform it all kinds of ways, like rending their clothes and going naked, heaping ashes on themselves, wearing camel-hair shirts, and other various ascetic behaviours. The religious added prayer and special offerings to that., and this was linked to penance since God is more willing to assist those who've humbled themselves and made the effort to get their heart in the right place. They often interpreted bad fortune as punishment for something they'd done wrong. Moses didn't rule on fasting - people were free to do it whenever they felt moved. Instead, He prescribed Yom Kippur as a Holy Day, the Day of Atonement and Repentance, giving the exact date and instructions for how to perform it. It was their time for spiritual purification. Since there's no Temple anymore, those instructions can't be fulfilled as given. Fasting is the Jewish substitute - that is, fasting for one 25 hour period on Yom Kippur. Jesus didn't command fasting. Like Moses, He acknowledged its importance and left the people free to do it whenever they liked. However, He did give some guidance for doing it right: "But you, when you fast, anoint your head, and wash your face so that you may not be seen fasting by men, but by your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will repay you. (Matt 6:17–18) So, if a messianic Jew is for Jesus, no human will see him fasting - only God; the day won't matter. There's nothing stopping him from fasting twice or more - that is, at separate times or for many days.  DontNeedChrist: Messianics are not Jewish. They are christian and are not obligated to observe any Jewish holiday ESPECIALLY the most holy one on the Hebrew calendar, Yom Kippur. Stick with christmas and easter.  amoregrowers: A follower of Jesus does not need YOM Kippur. You in Jesus have been cleansed of your guilt and sin . So there is no need to go through the ceremonies But since guilt and negative energy plauge all people it is good to have a tradition that works for you. Rather it be confession to a priest of fasting on yom kippur If its an alter call or the seder avodah do what works for you. Its your path to be free from guilt and spread positive energy to unite humanity. This holiday was commanded by G-d to litrally rid his people of psycological and real negative energy and be a vibrant mentally healthy nation. Zanjan: Not all messianic Jews are after Jesus - some just approve of and support all the Prophets after Moses. Like their Jewish ancestors, who also honoured all the Prophets, they remain Jews by birthright until they follow the next messiah - the one they believe is for them. When that day comes, they'll be celebrating all new Holy Days and will be called by a new Name. Until then, we're in no place to tell them what to do. That you believe a Prophet is true doesn't mean you should join that religion. This is a fact - it's between you and God, nobody else. (Edited by Zanjan) DontNeedChrist: As amore pointed out. People who subscribe to christianity believe their sins of the past, present and future are covered by the jesus offering. What point would there be for a Day of Atonement? Messianics are christians. No matter how they dress or how much Hebrew they incorporate into their dogma doesn't ever change that. There is no need for Yom Kippur in christianity. Zanjan: You haven't talked to many Christians, have you? Yes, they believe their past sins are forgiven - meaning, before they became Christians. They started with a clean slate so therte's nothing to cover. They don't necessarily believe their present sins are forgiven - if they were deliberate, they need to repent and; if Catholic, they have to do penance. No one has any way of knowing what future sins will be forgiven. They believe they'll go to heaven to be with Christ as long as they obey His laws. Only the ignorant and unschooled believe they'll automatically go to heaven for no other reason than having accepted Christ. Very sad. The Christian Day of Atonement is "Lent" - it's 40 days of fasting, not a measly 25 hours. Then again, they're free to fast in their own way - that's all over the place, depending on the denomination. The religious term "Day" means a given period in time - it could be 12 hours of daylight or a thousand years. (Edited by Zanjan) DontNeedChrist: This question is if messianics should fast on Yom Kippur. The answer is NO because messianics are christians. Yom Kippur is a Jewish holiday. This is how a thread post stays on topic. You should try it some time. Zanjan: "The answer is NO because messianics are christians. " That is NOT the answer - Moses never said that; neither did any Prophet. Look up the word in the dictionary. It means "fervent or passionate", relating to searching for the messiah. If one is messianic, that has nothing to do with their current religion. Seekers aren't required to belong to a religion - they're individuals, not organizations. One is messianic ONLY when they're actively searching for the messiah. To be messianic is to believe He is already here somewhere or will be in their own lifetime so, they're looking for Him in the *current* time frame. For example, there used to be messianic Christians during the mid 19th century; they're all gone now. Jews, Christians, and Muslims are all "WAITING" - that is, they're not searching, not messianic. Unlike the messianic, the Waiters believe the messiah will simply come and get them, no matter what they're doing, like scrubbing out the sink at the time. (Edited by Zanjan) Zanjan: "This is how a thread post stays on topic." No, it's how one keeps repeating themself without adding anything new to their assertion. I've demonstrated how not to be a parrot. DontNeedChrist: There's nothing more to add. The question was "should messianics fast on Yom Kippur?" The answer is NO and that answer is supported with an explanation. Call it parroting. Call it what you want. The reality is it's a direct answer to a direct question that doesn't meander down rabbit holes or espouse incomprehensible nonsense. What a concept. Zanjan: Your answer isn't supported by scripture. That's the reality. No offense intended, I haven't seen any credentials from you that proves you're an authority on the matter. By your own admission, you're finding other people's responses incomprehensible. DontNeedChrist: Correct, never have been never will be. I'm done with this ridiculous exchange. Have fun.  theHating: First of all, kipper snacks are amazing. Put them on toast with some vegamite. Second of all, people who make believe in yeshua may as well accept they are big dumb atheists for denying the existence of Zeus. Fast if you want to, you're no friend of mine, you can fast, you can fast, and you can go to a church where satan will never find you, and you can act like yeshua comes from out of this world, but my only worry: That you'll leave the real one farrrrrrrr behinnnnnnd...... theHating: No cult activity going on here! Just normal answer seeking to that seriously big question: how to fast, with it's various implications and suggestions, on how best to hypnotize yourself into believing in dumb shit that brings no one any more peace than does being a skeptic. Carry on, douche bags. theHating: I still can't like posts on mobile. I just want you to know, I indeed like the above post  | Religion Chat Room 26 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
