REFUTING “Abrahams seed according to promise”

DontNeedChrist:

This thread is a response to the forum topic by Xrusaoros Pegasos aka Anonymous Attributes

Found here: Topic: Religion

Yet again, the author of this thread is forcing the jesus narrative into the Jewish Scriptures and he fails miserably. I’ll only address a couple of his points since most of his post is incoherent.

Example:
“Abraham’s Zera (Seed) according to promise.
Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”

First off, the Genesis passage has very little to do with Abraham aside from Abraham being a descendant of “the woman” who is Chava (Eve) but EVERY HUMAN BEING is a descendant of Adam and Chava so what’s the point? The Genesis verse refers to Chava’s “seed” (in Hebrew ZERA) meaning her offspring or descendants will have contempt for the “seed” of the serpent. This is true today where most people, particularly females have an aversion to snakes. Not all, but most. That’s all the verse is about. It’s not messianic, not about jesus.

Another quote:
“We know that the seed of the woman is one man who is to be killed and sacrificed because of the prototype that was just then laid before us.”

What? The seed of the woman is ALL of mankind. Not just one man. How he jumps to this conclusion is completely baseless and nothing more than lopsided christian propaganda.

DontNeedChrist:

Another baseless quote:
“And in fact every one of these blueprint types starting with Cain and Abel, the younger always is a type of the Messiah. And then came Solomon after David who also was meant to be a great blessing.“

The younger is always a “type of the Messiah?” What exactly does that mean? Then he goes on to list various “Messiah types:”

“Abel (whos lamb sacrifice was respected but the first born Cain was not)”

Nowhere in the text regarding Abel’s offering does it specifically state he brought a lamb. It simply says the firstlings of his flock. It could have been cattle, adult sheep or maybe goats. He specifies lamb because jesus is the “lamb of G-d.” We can see the manipulation of scripture here.

“Isaac, (Who further demonstrated that the lamb sacrifice IS a man and in whose seed the blessings would come)”

Uh, nope. Isaac was not sacrificed. Why? Because G-d hates human sacrifice. What was offered instead of Isaac? A RAM. Not a lamb. The ram was caught in the thicket by its horns. Last time I saw a lamb it lacked horns. Again, he’s inserting the “lamb of G-d” moniker where it doesn’t reside. More christian propaganda.

Then he lists Jacob, Ephraim, Joseph and David.

The only “messiah type” in this whole list is David. He was the only one properly anointed per Torah protocol. Why he refers to the others as “messiah types” is profoundly confounding.

He concludes with this gem:
“These are all blueprints of that blessing which was promised by God foreshadowed in one person alone “in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed” that seed (Zera) singular, one man, Jesus Christ”

As was written in another forum post correcting his Hebrew ignorance, the word ZERA can be either singular or plural just like the English word SEED. The context makes the determination. In the passage he cites, it’s plural because it’s talking about Abraham’s descendants which will be "as numerous as the stars in heaven and the sand on the seashore."

Obviously plural. Obviously not referring to any one man. Obviously not about jesus or anything singular. Just another failed attempt to make the Hebrew Scriptures seem as if they are referring to the christian man/god.

It just takes some basic education to expose the lies in his posts.

DontNeedChrist:

Here is a video that directly refutes the christian contention that "zera" points to one person by Orthodox Rabbi Michael Skobac.