Messianic prophecy BS.

Apokalupto: Messianic prophecy BS.

Apokalupto: Messianic prophecy BS.

The term “Messianic prophecies” is never found in the Bible. There is nothing inherently wrong with the term, but there is something grossly wrong with how the Jews use it.

Plain and simple the term “Messianic prophecies” is misleading, in fact brainwashing. It assumes before even taking your first step into understanding the Messiah that you are looking for “Messianic prophecies.” Well what is that?! Prophecies of the Messiah, right? Well, what are those?

The term is limiting the knowledge of the Messiah and is actually unbiblical. If you ask a Jew about “Messianic prophecies” they will give you only about 10 to 15 of them. You can go to Jewish websites and they will brainwash you with these same words “Messianic prophecies,” and they will only list 10 to 15 prophecies that THEY SAY fulfill the Messianic prophecy “prerequisite.” It is a term that they made up and it is a term that they decide what meets its requirement. In other words when they use “Messianic prophecies” card they have already set the field for what is and is not acceptable scripture on the topic.

The list is of prophecies that both Christian and Jew believe are about the Messiah because they are at bottom the most obvious verses prophesying about Him with strong prophetic (futuristic) language that directly mention the coming one, the king, or the end of days etc. For Christians, what Jews call Messianic prophecies are all of those prophecies that pertain to what Jesus will do and fulfill at His second coming. What’s wrong with that you say? Nothing, until you realize that to them it means nothing else can be used to as a prophecy of the Messiah but that small handful. If all the scripture was opened up for to interpreted who and what the messiah would be and do, that is not only frightful but damaging to their mislead view.

On the other hand, Jesus set the highest standard possible fulfilling the entire Bible, not just a measly 15 prophecies that the Jews defined as Messianic. It is a brainwashing game.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

In the first verse He says that everything must be fulfilled which were written in the

-Law of Moses
-The prophets
-And the psalms

These three divisions making up the OT, the law, prophets and psalms (or writings) are how they referred to the Tanak (OT) It is an acronym derived from the names of its three divisions: Torah (Law), Neviʾim (Prophets), and Ketuvim (Writings).

When Jesus taught them that the entire OT Bible spoke of Him and that He fulfilled all of it (Save for those things that only pertain to His second coming), He raised the bar of everyone’s expectations to such an unreachable, noble height, unattainable by just any mere man. The glory of Christ is far greater than they had all previously imagined, it fulfilled the Tanak, the entire word of God, not some mere 15 passages.

By using the terminology “Messianic prophecies” the portrait of Messiah becomes limited to a handful of passages that can only give at best a very vague and even misleading idea about who and what Messiah will do and be. When they use this term they are protecting their false notion of the Messiah, and worse, rejecting the ideas put forth that were meant to be about the Messiah.

They say they don’t know who He is, they don’t even know His name, they know so little about the Messiah and no wonder!

They reject the portrait so firmly imprinted that even David and his whole story, who all agree is a type of the Messiah, had shown that his life was also following the same example that had already been laid down by so many men before him, by Cain and Abel, Ishmael and Isaac, Joseph and his brothers, even Moses, and Samson, up to his very day Saul and David, all stories told in the same outline, hitting the same themes and events told by different perspectives and yet having the same message at bottom. David being a type of the Messiah, why would his portrait (story) look any different? It didn’t, it was the same.

All in all, the Jews reject the portrait and by this they reject the Tanak, even Moses. They put up walls like “You’re using a translation” or “That’s not a messianic prophecy” But we know that the portrait was foreshadowed, the outline mission and life of the Messiah aptly told, the golden string running and connecting all the same themes in all of the books with so many past characters is risen above both of their walls.

That means a translation CANNOT hide the portrait no matter how sloppy, because its told in stories that all reflect Christ through the characters aforementioned, and on top of that there aren’t just a handful of some special verses, Christ fulfilled the entire Tanak. The OT explains itself and paints its own expectations. End of story. Christ is so much greater than the Jewish expectation.

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Apokalupto: All of the stories, all of their themes, the same structures, their events, their maps and blueprints as you will all speak and show the same portrait, which cannot be touched, it can only be denied.

Fractured fairy tale: I couldn't agree more . A lot of people have been led astray latley.
Especially bombarded through the Media and Politicians and some preachers

Apokalupto: And it's only going to get worse. Anyway. Jesus applied the whole Tanak to Himself so technically to Jesus it's all Messianic and thus all prophetic in nature if it's about Him. I made a post awhile ago explaining how the figures of Christ in the Old Testament were prophetic just by the very nature of its continual repetition.

Referring to all of the myriad pictures of Christ in the OT I said:

"A pattern repeated so often in so many different ways is not a similarity, it is a concrete message. A similarity is what toddlers look for in shapes when they’re developing their spongy brains.

But the scriptures show a message, being laid down so concretely, on every angle, by every perspective, showing an earnest expectation for a future perfect fulfillment, else, if its message had been complete and its glory fully manifest and its purpose come, then there would not have been any further need for this repetition of the sacrifice to continue on and on etc (Like with Able, Isaac, Passover lamb, Moses brass serpent, Isa 53 to name a few)- which this never ending repetition intrinsically reveals a need that’s not being fully furnished and sufficiently satisfied, - and because of this it is “naturally” prophetic" because it sets an expectation that needs to be filled. Christ furnishes this need and it is sufficiently satisfied. Salvation has gone abroad to the ends of the earth now.

The scripture defines itself and explains its own expectations especially for the future. Jews go to other books, leaving behind the Torah by making other writings more important than Gods own book, but when Christians want a better idea about something, they go straight to the source.

I usually make pretty long posts so as to give the bigger picture, but if you want to read that thread visit the link: Topic: Religion

Any questions on this topic let me know.

iTeachTruth: Interesting enough, Messianic traditions held by the majority of Orthodox Jews have changed over time, especially during the last couple millennia. Various ideas and interpretations of the Messiah and the conditions surrounding his unveiling have been proposed, and even accepted in the past by Judaism.

Apokalupto: No doubt they have changed over time, they are lead by the philosophies and traditions of men which change, but the LORD changes not and His will is known unto them who love Him.