Trinity Contradiction

HydroMan: There are good reasons to reject a religion if it has contradiction. But couldn't the same be said about Christianity and the Trinity? How can God also be the Son of God? Most Christians respond by saying, the Trinity is a mystery, it cannot be understood. To me that's a cop out answer, something u could apply to any religion. There must be a way of trying to understand the Trinity??

Zanjan: There is, the trinity is a pagan notion but Christians deny that. Research the ancient pagans, you'll have the answer for yourself.

I believe the reason they adopted that was to attract more pagans into the faith. By removing the traditional obstacles, they made the faith seem more familiar and comfortable to pagans; it wouldn't be such a big leap of faith to join.

It's obvious to me that the clergy didn't trust God enough to let HIM choose His people; they were only interested in expanding their numbers. Now, its coming back to bite them.

I don't think one should reject a religion due to contradictions. Many see contradictions in the religious text where there are none at all. It's their own ignorance and inexperience that holds them back from understanding.

I do think conscience dictates that one shouldn't be a member of a religious community that contradicts its own religious text. I mean, not just interpretation but by action as well.

Zanjan: How hard would it be for Christians to bite the bullet and find reconciliation with the texts and society? Is there any way they could save face? Yes, by not actively hiding the truth.

I think they could make this transition if they focussed on the historical reality - that the nascent church rejected the notion of Trinity when it was introduced; eventually, it became a doctrine that was popular for a time.
Jesus described Himself as "the Son of Man" - this can't be misconstrued. Others called Him the Son of God. Today, perspectives aren't enforced - believers are free to view text as they best understand it. We encourage folks to study deeply and come nearer to God in practical ways.

Furthermore, they need to ditch the idea of any exclusivity amongst believers. They're people of God, just like all those working in His Cause, regardless of race, nationality or gender.

HydroMan: Which pagan beliefs had a trinity?

Zanjan: St Jerome (4th century AD) wrote that all the *ancient* nations believed in the trinity. That’s a sweeping remark, made from the viewpoint that OLD religions had fallen into chaos.

There’s no ancient account/dates of the transition from a religion of God to pagan beliefs because there was a slow and subtle infiltration of traditions. This describes a descent in the understanding of unity – in other words, a Religion of God splintered into numerous sects, each with their own spin. Yet the focus always remained on three central characters, who were responsible for the birth their religion.

In ancient Sumerian culture, there had been a religion recorded as worshiping the Anunaki with a Godhead of 3, named Anu, Enlil, and Ki. Within that religion was also a pantheon of 7 gods of the underworld, who were the judges of souls.
In the Babylonian region, there were sculptures of three heads inside a triangle. They worshipped Marduk, who was the son of Ea and Daminka. Gets complicated after that, and inconsistent.

The Hindu religion began with one God; His offspring were the children of Manu, as was Krishna and Arjun, according to texts. At the time of the Great Flood, there were 7 judges who were sages in a boat. These represent spiritual cycles. Later on, the view morphed to Brahma the Creator, Vishnu the Preserver, and Shiva the Destroyer as the Godhead, followed by a pantheon of Gods. The Hindu denominations are too numerous to list.

Ancient Egyptians worshipped Amun-Ra, who was part of the Theban triad of Amun, Mut, and Khonsu. They had many gods and goddesses as well. Moses commented on the polytheists both in Egypt and elsewhere yet many of His own followers wandered off from time to time – thankfully, those lapses into pagan beliefs are recorded, with names, in the Old Testament.

In Greece their godhead was Zeus, Poseidon and Adonis. Aristotle and Pythagoras taught that all things come in threes. The triangle signifies the beginning, the middle and the end.

The Phoenicians worshipped Ulomus, Ulosuros and Eliun
In Rome, they worshipped Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto

I think that’s all you need for just the Middle East.

Buddhism (500 B.C.) is the first time we see solid links, tracking historical disintegration. It went from worshipping one Creator God, to many gods as living beings (buddhas living in 27 heavens), to gods interpreted as cosmic forces, to no creator or gods at all.

We see this because the scriptures were tampered with - in the end, any reference to God was removed and the sentence replaced. Buddhism turned into a philosophy.

Winterson: The doctrine of the Trinity is simply a reaction to what is in the Gospels. Jesus speaks of the Father, the narrative speaks of Jesus as the Son, and there are several references to a Holy Spirit who is clearly in the role of God. Believers in the Gospels could only conclude from that that their Scriptures were telling them that God manifests Himself in three ways, or, to put it differently, that there are somehow three persons making up the Godhead.

It is strange and hard to conceive, but, Christians don't have a problem with something Divine seeming strange and hard to conceive to us mortals.

Apokalupto: A contradiction does not determine our faith is false. Example, OT folks sometimes saw angels but thought they had seen God and feared for their life, for they knew that no one can see Gods face and live. That must have been a "contradiction" to them. But we know that they saw angels and sometimes the Son of God who is able to be seen, whereas the Fathers face cannot lest you die. What seems to be a contradiction really is not.

A contradiction and a mystery are not synonymous and should not be treated as though they are. A mystery is something that is not known or understood. The Biblical Trinity is a mystery, it is not fully comprehended and it is not borrowed Pagan invention despite what pagans have told you. Mysteries neither falsify belief neither automagically deserve the role of cop out. There are many things we do not understand yet about the universe and science, but that does not mean that out limited understanding is false because we don't fully comprehend it.

The God of the Bible is one God in three persons. Pagan mythology have multiple gods often at war or at odds with each other. A Pantheon. But the God of the Bible is perfect and Holy unable to contradict Himself even being one God in three persons.

The scriptures have always shown that there was more than one person that comprises the one, true God.

ex 1.

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:---("us" is plural)
Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (God affirms that He made them in HIS OWN image. All glory is given to God, not angels or other spiritual beings)

ex 2.

Genesis 19:24
Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

The LORD was in 2 places at once. He was with Abraham on earth and He rained down fire *from* the LORD out of heaven. The Father was in heaven the Son was on earth.

ex 3.

Isaiah 48:16
Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

There are three persons in the above verse "I" the "Lord GOD" and "His Spirit hath sent me"

The Trinity foreshadowed by Abraham, Isaac, Jacob. Topic: Religion

The Trinity foreshadowed by Moses, Aaron, Miriam. Topic: Religion

The Trinity foreshadowed by Saul, David, Solomon. Topic: Religion

Zanjan: "A mystery is something that is not known or understood. The Biblical Trinity is a mystery,"

Mysteries can't be identified. When something is a mystery, claiming one can explain it is a farce.

The purpose of scripture is to teach what hasn't been known and to clarify what has been forgotten and misunderstood. A truth will be repeated in all the scriptures of the world - a single holy book will elaborate extensively on a truth - it doesn't need us for that.

Interpretation is a crooked road to walk - it manipulates to fill in the blanks with things you desire. This is why no two people have identical morals.

So, which is more important - the truth or interpretation?

Apokalupto: lol

HydroMan: Interpretation is a crooked road to walk?

Everyone interprets the Bible. Even those who claim that they dont interpret the Bible, do in fact interpret it. You cant escape from it. The question is, which interpretation is the most truthful, the most accurate. For example, Jesus said to cut off you hand if it causes you to sin. Now, anyone who reads this passage has 'interpreted' it in some way - you interpret it 'literally' (which I hope you dont) or interpret it as a 'hyperbole'

Zanjan: "Everyone interprets the Bible."

I don't. Neither do the members of my religion - it's forbidden by law.

I know what a metaphor is. I'm fully aware of the difference between a figure of speech and literal terms, being taught this in public grade school. Apparently, some students got bad marks in English Lit and didn't improve them.

God wants us to increase our skills, pursue excellence, raise our intellect, and elevate our conversations. How else can we be worthy to be called HIS people?


Consider that the Bible had already been interpreted when that Book was published in your language. You'd be interpreting an interpretation since you can't read the original language, which also happens to be ancient. What you get is problems.

I'm speaking to you now in contemporary English in the current society - there's no need for interpretation. Since I know the cultures, I don't speak to the general public using Baha'i terms. They wouldn't understand the meaning of those words as they don't have the required background.

Jesus said: "“They shall speak with new tongues.”

Don't you know that GOD knows how to communicate?

Refer to the texts, where God says "Speak to the people in their own language"; and "If they all speak the same language, nothing will be impossible to them".

Thus, God, Himself, spoke in a language THEY could understand. That doesn't include those outside the given religious dispensation.

Jesus said to His followers: " “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but *for those outside* everything is in parables, so that they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand, lest they should turn and be forgiven.”

Jesus Christ's followers were the first generation in a new dispensation. Nobody here is.

Zanjan: So, you might ask how we moderns should understand the scriptures. Well, that's entirely between themselves and God. God never tells us to say to others "This is how you should understand it".

He promises that a truly just man will know the truth by his own knowledge, not through the knowledge of others. So, we will be proven.

God bestows understanding on whomever He pleases. We pray for this.

HydroMan: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth

what is the 'earth' referring to - the planet, land mass, or matter? whatever answer you give will be an interpretation

Zanjan: Whatever answer I give will be right, according to the depth of my current understanding. We ALL know of two planes of existence - the physical (temporal), which is the contingent world; and, the spiritual (celestial), which is the eternal world. They're both real and connected.

Maybe you should have asked what do the "heavens" refer to - that's plural. The KJV has it as singular.

He is the God of both heaven and earth so what say have you? You are surrounded.

m_leonora1111: The Trinity doctrine is not a mystery. It is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church.

Why people are afraid to used only the Bible as their guidance?

Are you afraid to keep the Saturday Sabbath holy? Yes!! Why? Because the holy father on earth has his Sunday worship. The day of the sun!!

If you are a trinitarian, or unitaian, then go on YouTube and see the Origin of the Roman Catholic Church. See of what you are seeing is true.

The trinity doctrine is a false one! And the whole world is deceived by this false teaching. They all are wandering after this Roman Catholic Church.

The Ecumenical movement is the movement of Satan, to joint all the professed Christians to fight against the true children of God.

The Roman Catholic Church did it before, and now he is getting his power back, with the help of Satan.

One World Order and One Religion!! Never heard before??

When God is calling HIS people to come out of Babylon, they are joining him.
Revelation 18:4.

My duty is to warns those that God has called to come in His church, His remnant church. John 10:14-16

Zanjan: When God calls you, you'll know it - He makes sure of that. No one has to tell you.

If people recognized the unity of God they, themselves, would be unified. They're not. They don't understand it. Can you divide yourself?? Can a second soul incorporate into your soul? No, absolutely not. Likewise, God is one and indivisible - one nature.

Souls emanate from God like separate rays emanating from the sun - the rays are not the sun itself. The Holy Spirit is sanctified above all things - it's not an entity, it's power. In Christ dwelt the Holy Spirit - that incorruptible power to make the world new. It was the light of the world.

The term "Godhead" might be useful IF people trusted the divine Source to consistently send Ambassadors of God. From God -> to the Revelator. From the Revelator -> to the people. However, that term has confused them and who permitted the confusion if not God?

Deuteronomy 28:20

“The Lord will send upon you curses, confusion, and rebuke, in all you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and until you perish quickly, on account of the evil of your deeds, because you have forsaken Me."

2 Corinthians 4:3-4

"And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."

m_leonora1111: No Zanjan, you are not right. Don't you understand what is written in Matthew 28:19, John 17, Revelation 1:1-3, Revelation 22:10-11?

What you are doing is trying to take people eyes from the Word of God. The calling to come out of Babylon was prophecy 2000 years ago. Revelation 18:4.

Do you know what means the three angels messages? Yes you do!! Because I have given you the complete Biblical truth. But because of your own thinking of what you think is right to do, you have ignored the truth!!

I know that Satan are working hard through His agents of this world. Just to let people think that they can keep sinning, because there is a plenty of time left.

You all have united in this ecumenical movement with your earth "holy father" the pope, that stand in the place of Jesus Christ.
Yes!! The owner of the Trinity doctrine. 🤔🤔🤨

Vicarious Filii Dei!!

GeraldtheGnome: What have I told you religion was Zanjan ? Anyway it is right that no matter what’s looked at with religion everyone, including yourself, interprets things all of the time. So please stop kidding yourself that you haven’t interpreted what you have indeed interpreted. Each message of yours on here and elsewhere (especially on my own forums) are interpretations. For reasons that all of you will dislike the trinity claim is false, there never was a holy trinity of the sort claimed. However at the same time I do like the words ‘he is now like one of us.’ You should all think about what that means. I’m just pointing out some facts here, I’m not interpreting things at the moment.

Blackshoes: Unless there are three Gods. Whether or not the doctrine of one God in three persons isn't to your liking! The best explanation for what we as humans; can understand of this enigma within God's word. There is only one way to make any sense of God the Father God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Unless you have a better explanation.

Because as I have already shown within the Bible ; the Bible is crystal clear that Jesus is God the Son and was always with God.

Jesus is God the Son !

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 10:30 - I and my Father are one.

Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

John 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

There is only ONE God

1. Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (39) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

2. Deuteronomy 6:4 — Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD. [Note in Mark 12:28-34 how Jesus and a Jewish scribe he encountered understood this text.]

3. Deuteronomy32:39 — See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

4. 2 Samuel 7:22 — Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God; for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

5. 1 Kings 8:60 — That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.

6. 2 KINGS 5:15 — And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel; now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.

7. 2 Kings 19:15 — And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and said, O LORD God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.

8. 1 Chronicles 17:20 — O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

9. Nehemiah 9:6 — Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou has made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

10. Psalm 18:31 — For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?

11. Psalm 86:10 — For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone.

12. Isaiah 37:16,20 — O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou has made heaven and earth. (20) Now therefore, O LORD our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the LORD, even thou only.

13. Isaiah43:10,11 — Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he:before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.

14. Isaiah44:6,8 — Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.Fear ye not, neither be afraid; have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

15. Isaiah 45:21 — Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time: who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.

16. Isaiah 46:9 — For I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me.

17. Hosea 13:4 — Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me; for there is no savior beside me.

18. Joel 2:27 — And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

19. Zechariah 14:9 — And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

20. Mark 12:29-34 —And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

21. John 17:3 — And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

22. Romans 3:30 — Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

23. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 — As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, andthat there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

24. Galatians 3:20 — Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

25. Ephesians 4:6 — One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

26. 1 Timothy 1:17 — Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

27. 1 Timothy 2:5 — For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

28. James 2:19 — Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

The Hoy Spirit Is God the Spirit


John 14:26 - But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 16:13 - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Galatians 5:22-23 - But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, (Read More...)

1 Corinthians 2:10 - But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:33 - Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

John 14:15-17 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Galatians 1:12 - For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Proverbs 2:1-5 - 1 My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee;

2 So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;

3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;

4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;

5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.

2 Timothy 1:7 - For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

1 Corinthians 6:19 - What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

John 15:15 - Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

m_leonora1111: You can write the whole Bible here, but there is any title that is written god Jesus Christ and god holy spirit.

I will never get tired to write the same Biblical truth again and again.

Learn again: Jehovah is the Almighty God, and He have a Son called Jesus Christ, and THEY have a Spirit named Holy Spirit.
So, the word God is a title. Now Jehovah the Father is The God. Jesus Christ is God, but not the God.

The Holy Spirit OF God is their POWER, their BREATH/MIND, their NATURE.

The Holy Spirit is not another spirit being. It is Jesus HIMSELF through His HOLY SPIRIT (POWER), that is everywhere.

Jesus Christ and His Father God is physical in Heaven sitting on their throne.

If God is not a Father then Jesus is not a Son.
The Trinity doctrine denied Jehovah God as a Father and Jesus Christ as a Son.

That's why you people are living in confusion.
You all are denied a Father and a Son.

And the whole Bible are speaking about God the Father and His Son.

I wish that one or two, of yours trinitarians can wake up, and stop following traditions of men!!

Blackshoes: Wrong again

John 8:58-59
“Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was,* I am.”Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

The Jews and Pharisees at the time were very much aware that Jesus was referring to himself AS GOD!



Exodus 3:14
“And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, * I AM hath sent me unto you.”

Apokalupto: HS is God.

Lying to the Holy Spirit is lying to God.
Acts 5:3
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Acts 5:4
Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.



OMNIPOTENCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
By the word of the LORD and by His breath were the heavens made. Psalm 33:6
The hand of God laid the foundation of the earth and spanned the heavens. Isaiah 48:13

OMNIPRESENCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
The Spirit, hand of God, is omnipresent. Psalm 139:7-10

OMNICIENCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
The Spirit of God cannot be taught because He knows all. Isaiah 40:13-14

m_leonora1111: Yes, Jesus was before not only Abraham, but the whole creation.

It was Jesus that was talking to Abraham, and also to Moses.

Proverbs 8:22-32. If this statement also cannot makes you people wake up, then another prophecy has completed in your life. 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12.

Apokalupto: If Jesus is not God his death on the cross was in vain. We do not believe in human sacrifice for sin.

Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

m_leonora1111: God doesn't mean Spirits. Everything could be a god.
Even God the Father said to a man, that He let him stand as god before the people.

So, is it so difficult to understand the word God is a title for some power?

Do you think that Jesus Christ is a spirit being?
Let me know with yes, or no!!

Apokalupto: "The Holy Spirit is not another spirit being. It is Jesus HIMSELF through His HOLY SPIRIT (POWER), that is everywhere."

I beg your pardon? Lol

Jesus said if he did not go to the Father then the Holy Spirit would not come to the apostles, but if he go then Jesus would send him (The Holy Spirit) They are not the same person. John 16:7

Jesus said he did not glorify himself, and if He did it would mean nothing. Furthermore he said the Father honors and glorifies him. John 8:54

Jesus also said in John 16:14 that the Holy Spirit that he would be sending their way after he departed to the Father would glorify Jesus. If the Holy Spirit is Jesus HIMSELF as you like to erroneously say, then Jesus is glorifying himself which means he lied and also his self glorification is meaningless.