Abraham Isaac Jacob and the Trinity

Apokalupto
Apokalupto: The Father
The only begotten son
The Holy Spirit

The Trinity foreshadowed by Abraham, Isaac, Jacob

The Trinity foreshadowed by Saul, David, Solomon Topic: Religion

Jesus taught that there is one God in three persons. Anything more than "one God" in three persons is heretical and outside of the confines of Jesus teaching, scripture and this thread.
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Apokalupto
Apokalupto: Abraham Isaac and Jacob
God the Father, the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit

Abraham
Genesis 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

Abram – high father
Abraham – father of a multitude (Father of many nations)

Isaac

Genesis 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

Genesis 18:13 And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?

Isaac - laughter

When Isaac was a boy, God tested Abraham's faith by ordering him to sacrifice his only son, though an angel prevented the act at the last moment.

And he said, Take now thy son, thine only [son] Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. - Genesis 22:2


Jacob - heel-catcher (i.e. supplanter)
Progenitor of the 12 tribes of Israel, (he multiplied sons/children/seed)

Summery

(The Father) Father Abraham
(Son of God) Isaac son of Abraham (Sacrifice your only son)
(Holy Spirit) Jacob, who multiplied his seed, the progenitor of the twelve tribes of Israel.

Here is Holy Spirit.

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: (Like Jacob, who multiplied his seed)
Joel 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved and are born again by the Holy Spirit, which has for 2000 years multiplied the children of God through His spirit.

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Millennium Envoy
Millennium Envoy: I remember when you broke this down to me but it was in pm
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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist:

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Deuteronomy 6:4 –
"Here O Israel, the L-rd is our G-d, the L-rd is ONE."

Crowbarring a trinity concept into the Torah is contrary to the Torah itself. G-d proclaims His ONENESS throughout the Hebrew Scriptures. Don't be fooled by the textual gymnastic techniques shown above.

G-d is ONE and only ONE. He said so.


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Apokalupto
Apokalupto: Amen.

Jesus who taught the triune nature of God also said this.

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Ephesians 4:5  One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 
Ephesians 4:6  One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 

1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Have a nice day.
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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist:

First off, the Shema is NOT the first of all the commandments so Mark and jesus got that wrong.

Secondly, Deuteronomy also warns us of false prophets and contradictory messages. Showing NT scripture that contradicts the Torah is proof enough of the contradictory nature of the NT. It cannot be from Hashem as He does not contradict.

Each time you misrepresent the Hebrew Torah with your Greek NT you will be called out on it.

Have a nice day.

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Apokalupto
Apokalupto:
First meaning chief. It is the greatest commandment.

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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist:

And contradicted by your essay.

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Apokalupto
Apokalupto: How?
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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist:

I explained it clearly. Feel free to reread.

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Apokalupto
Apokalupto: In that case the chat reflects the scriptural answer to that. Jesus taught the truth. The truth is likely to agitate those who are not keen on hearing it. Feel free to reread and adjust to the Masters teaching accordingly.
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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist:

If he taught that G-d is a trinity it contradicts the Torah which exclaims repeatedly that G-d is ONE and not a man. You can call it 'truth' all you want but it's a great contradiction. G-d does not contradict. I can't be more clear than that. I don't readjust to others' "masters."

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Apokalupto
Apokalupto: Jesus taught that there is one God, which he also taught through the Trinity that there is one God. You succumb to an obvious error and to suggest anything else is nothing less than tripping over aleph. In the Bible there is no such thing that God is more than one God. Doesn't exist.
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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist:

Translation: jesus taught that G-d is one via three. Makes perfect sense.

Nowhere in the Torah/Nach is there even a remote inference to a trinity. This is purely a christian notion that contradicts the Torah. The contradiction is glaringly clear.

Keep mangling the Torah, I can go on all day until you delete all my posts.


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Apokalupto
Apokalupto: One God in three persons is taught by Jesus Christ, and foreshadowed in scripture (OP), not invented by Christians. The "translation" you have provided is unnecessary and uncalled for as it leaves room for error which you are prone to. Claiming that Jesus Christ taught anything more other than "one" God in three persons is heretical and outside of the confines of scripture and this thread.

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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist:

"Three persons" is a contradiction of ONE G-d. Can't make it more clear.

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amoregrowers
amoregrowers: (The Father) Father Abraham
(Son of God) Isaac son of Abraham (Sacrifice your only son)
(Holy Spirit) Jacob, who multiplied his seed, the progenitor of the twelve tribes of Israel. XP

This is kabbalistic.

Keep it up and you will soon be on Occult....

Lol

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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist:

There's obviously no conversation here as with the other "trinity" threads the OP has started. Three is not one. It's the most basic of mathematics.

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DontNeedChrist
DontNeedChrist:

All these "trinity" posts are nothing more than an attempt to stir up controversy especially with Jewish people on Wire. The author likes to throw things against the wall to see what sticks and then abandons his own posts. Our responses are nothing more than fuel for these trolls. He may think it's amusing but it's actually quite pathetic. Nothing to see here.

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Apokalupto
Apokalupto: unfortunately you are resorting to lies and slander when you don't get your way. the Gospel of luke, Jesus says that the law the prophets and the Psalms all speak of himself period God in his infinite wisdom had foreshadowed the Messiah Jesus Christ.

this foreshadow is something that I have known for many years and this is why I speak to my friends about it AKA millennium envoy who commented just under the op. your comment is vicious and lacks veracity.
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Apokalupto
Apokalupto: @amore

Kabbalah Google definitions

1.
relating to mystics or religious mysticism.
"the mystical experience"
2.
inspiring a sense of spiritual mystery, awe, and fascination.


Kabbalah Merriam-Webster dictionary

1: a medieval and modern system of Jewish theosophy, mysticism, and thaumaturgy marked by belief in creation through emanation and a cipher method of interpreting Scripture


Kabbalah dictionary.com

an ancient Jewish mystical tradition based on an esoteric interpretation of the Old Testament. any secret or occult doctrine or science.
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comparing scripture with scripture is not mysticism. far from it.
it's one of the basic foundations for interpreting the word of God.
The scriptures inherently repeat pattern after pattern over and over.
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