Why Do the Rabbis Defame Daniel the Prophet? (Page 2)

Apokalupto:
"In short, DNC’s line – that is, the “party line” of Judaism – that Daniel’s book (to quote DNC) “was NEVER considered prophecy to begin with” is absurd disinformation. Daniel 9 is obviously prophecy and only Judaic propagandists and spin-doctors deny this self-evident truth."

I agree.

and as for dnc's jacked up steroid comment about it being not Christian, of course it's Christian the whole Bible is Christian in nature because the golden thread that runs through it all is about Christ.

Daniel 9:24 talks about everlasting righteousness being brought in and anoint the most holy. it's obvious that the Jewish picks for who's being anointed are incorrect according to the context. it's so painfully obvious.

DontNeedChrist:

Of course you agree with anything your new buddy says. Wouldn't expect anything else.

The Tanach is not christian. Your Greek OT is. Learn the difference.

Apokalupto: JX proved his point.
your comment about who's being anointed is obviously wrong, just more Jewish propaganda. seeing your falsehoods exposed is becoming a fun trend.

DontNeedChrist:

Neither of you prove anything but ignorance. I debunked his point succinctly. You're biased so you'll never agree or admit to any validity I present. Always a waste of time with you. Always.

Apokalupto: "You want specific passages that describe what a prophet is from the Tanach? They don't exist. " if there's no authoritative source for what you say then how can you prove your words? it's just inflated opinion. and there are Jews who considered Daniel a prophet, one of them was already sighted. so who's biased? don't-need-christ is biased.

the fact that they put Daniel in the writings is brainwashing. they have to unlearn what they were brainwashed with if they want to think for themselves.

DontNeedChrist:

There are plenty of authoritative sources. You just dismiss them if they're not in writing or clash with your xtian dogma. Daniel was put in Writings long before xtians rearranged the Tanach to suit the jesus agenda. Too bad, so sad.

Yes, I already stated that many feel Daniel was a prophet but not in the category of the major prophets. Did you miss that part? If you would read the words with an open mind you could possibly learn something.

Brainwashed? Get serious. Placing Daniel in Writings is brainwashing how? We still revere his words, experiences and teachings. He's an important part of the Tanach. Where's the brainwashing? We don't look down on Daniel – as a matter of fact many consider his writings more important than prophecy.

Brainwash is the buzzword of the day apparently just like charlatan was last week. Yeah, this is amusing. You're a laugh riot. Go home AA.

Apokalupto: the Jews put him in the writings, they got it wrong.
you proved that you don't really revere his words when you willy-nilly ascribe the context of verse 24 to any of the persons that you mentioned. It's Jewish propaganda.

Apokalupto: and you most certainly are a charlatan.

keep high-fiving your own comments, you need it. lol...

DontNeedChrist:

Prove they got it "wrong." Back it up!

Apokalupto:
It's brainwashing.
you just showed us how you don't actually revere his words.
probably because youre brainwashed.

your application of verse 24 to any of the aforementioned suggestions are totally bogus and don't take into consideration the full truth of the PROPHECY of Daniel 9:24. in other words, you've shown that you're not revering his words.

"His writings are not considered prophecy. The Book of Daniel is not prophecy."

That truly is sad. you're probably the most brainwashed person I know on this subject.

DontNeedChrist:

"the Jews put him in the writings, they got it wrong." - AA

Show the evidence. Stop dodging. You won't. You can't.

Apokalupto: "the fact that they put Daniel in the writings is brainwashing. they have to unlearn what they were brainwashed with if they want to think for themselves."

the point began with the brainwashing and ended with the brainwashing,
my words shouldn't be understood in any other way than just described.

DontNeedChrist:

"the Jews put him in the writings, they got it wrong." - AA

So far you've offered nothing but opinion. Show evidence. Stop stalling.

Apokalupto: I just stated, I qualified my statement that it should not be understood any other way then just described. so no, you're not going to hold me to something I don't mean to say.

Apokalupto: ""You want specific passages that describe what a prophet is from the Tanach? They don't exist. "--dnc

if there's no authoritative source for what you say then how can you prove your words? it's just inflated opinion. and there are Jews who considered Daniel a prophet, one of them was already sighted."

and I'll remind the reader that the Dead Sea scrolls also have a quote saying that Daniel is a prophet, and most importantly Jesus himself called him a prophet, so while I can't prove that Daniel should or should not be in the writings or the prophets, I can prove from the most authoritative source in this world Jesus Christ that Daniel is a prophet.

DontNeedChrist:

You made a claim you cannot support. You offered 100% opinion. Jews did not get it wrong. Daniel is Jewish. The Tanach is for the Jewish people. Where his book was placed is where it belongs. What christians or anyone else says is irrelevant. Call me all the petty names you can find in your thesaurus. I don't care. You painted yourself into yet another corner with your arrogant and anti-semitic rhetoric. You're an embarrassment and a clown. Enough time wasted in this thread. Go play with your new friend JX Amalek. I'm sure you can compare notes on what names to call me next.

Apokalupto: Lol, youre using insults to prove your point.....

100% opinion means there's no evidence but evidence has been presented so now you're just flat out lying.

You're twisting my words after I cleared it up and qualified it. well done. you need that really shallow, microscopic fake "win" don't you? that really says something about you. What a completely hypocritical post salted with your infamous anti-semitic card. it seems that you need to make enemies out of us so you feel that your god justifies your hateful/lying/hypocritical behavior.



I guess I shouldn't expect anything else, prophets did talk about a blindness after all.

JX Amaro: So, “ag” has given us another “Attention Deficit Disorder” scattershot of random ideas going off in all directions at once and never really hitting any particular target! LOL.

ag: “There is a razor thin difference in Prophesy and Ruach Hackodesh. At times they are indistinguishable.”
JX Amaro: “Oh, thanks for clarifying that.”

Obviously, I could do a line-by-line response that would read like an Abbot and Costello routine, but I really don't need to. It is now beyond clear the way they play the game, and I am certain that every thread-reader has already picked up on it as Xrusaoros has. The truth is simply whatever Judaism says the truth is. If Judaism says 2 +2 = 5; then 2 + 2 = 5! If Judaism says Daniel is not a prophet; then Daniel is NOT a prophet! Shut up and obey the Dictatorship of the Rabbitariat!

Do I exaggerate? Let's be more serious and quote from the “padawan learner” amoregrowers again:
“There is a razor thin difference in Prophesy and Ruach Hackodesh. At times they are indistinguishable. This is a view of Judaism. However those on the inside they know the difference.”

Yes, the “insider” Rabbis know, apparently by some type of kooky Kabbalah theory of “para-normal epistemology” unavailable to anyone else in the world! Too funny.
(Note: “Epistemology” is a branch of philosophy that studies theories of knowledge and cognition.)

And then DNC returns (again) to give us a projectile-vomit storm of intellectual dishonesty, straw-man arguments and blustering dogma. There really isn't anything in terms of content that I haven't addressed in above posts. I'll just point to one thing that more or less is “apropos of everything.” In the last post on the first page of the the thread, the last sentence of the fourth paragraph states (with no room for equivocations): “The Book of Daniel is not prophecy.” Then, in the very next paragraph (!), DNC goes on to offer Agrippa as a potential object for Daniel's (wait for it...) prophecy!!! You can't make this stuff up! The jokes write themselves! ROFL!!!

Oh, and one more thing: Neither of them have addressed just why it is that the Rabbis consider Iddo one of the 55 Hebrew prophets, but not Daniel. I'm not holding my breath waiting for a cogent response to that. LOL.

amoregrowers: Ok ill do my best to focus my scattered thoughts and focus precisely for the simple.

Some prophets in Tanakh have books in both prophets and writings.... so before you go into panic mode that the rabbinical blood cult is taking over and denying Jews the "kooky" Christian narritive... and have raped Daniel of his Prophet card. Ill explain.


Both David and Soloman are prophets but their books are in ketuvim/writings. I dont hear you whining about David.

Jeremiah has 2 books he wrote. One Jeremiah/prophets and Lamentations/writings

Esther written by Mordechai "the prophet" is in the writings

Here is the simple answer some prophesy is meant to be originally orally announced to the people. Some prophesy is originally meant to be written down for whatever reason, for whatever generation.

Some prophesy was like a direct AWAKE energy that took over and spoke through the prophet. "The spirit of the LORD caused him to udder the words" 2 samuel

Some prophesy was in a vision and written down.


As far as how did Iddo make the prophets list but not Daniel. Well apparently Iddo holds little prophetic value to you as a Christian, because there is no Jesus in his prophecy.

However it is mentioned

2 chronicles 9 29

Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat?

There are a lot of books that are lost or not canonized. Iddo was one of them.

As a matter of fact the bible mentions 22+ books that are not in the canon.

Not sure why, but apparently they were valued by the prophets of old.

So maybe now we can see how some Prophets spoke directly with G-d and some through visions

There are a few other factors like

Where geographically the prophesy given
Was there a temple
Was the prophet near or in water

The Spirit Of G-d works in many ways!

DontNeedChrist:

Nice explanation but it will be futile as these clowns have no intention to view any of this information but through their christian lenses. So be it.

Apokalupto: Daniel 9:24

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins,
and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

only Jesus can fulfill that. anyone else that attributes this to the characters you mentioned is lying to themselves and are obviously blind as a bat. dnc is most blind cuz he thinks it was Agrippa.

agrippa, most holy anointed one for sure.
and I'm sure he can point to how an end of sins were made
and reconciliation for iniquity was made
and everlasting righteousness being brought in

his Daniel 9 thread makes Daniel a liar. no surprise there.

DontNeedChrist:

Too afraid to post this on the actual thread I see. No surprise there.

Apokalupto: you don't revere Daniel.

couldn't care less about your thread.

DontNeedChrist:
Then why comment on it? I revere Daniel. Don't make up garbage.