Did Jesus Dead on the Cross has put an end to His Father Laws?
m_leonora1111: The professing Christians today think that Jesus Christ dead on the cross has put an end to His Father laws. Is this true,?
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"The professing Christians today think that Jesus Christ dead on the cross has put an end to His Father laws. Is this true,?"
“And yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, nor will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them; for I am the Lord their G-d. Rather, I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors whom I freed from the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations to be their G-d: I, the Lord.” HE WILL NOT REJECT US EVER. HE WILL NEVER ANNUL HIS COVENANT.”
This is only one verse that is conclusive proof. The list is endless. As a side note, it matters not what christians or any other followers of other religions say or think. G-d made it clear the Law is ETERNAL in the Torah itself.
I will add with an edit that the Law is eternal for Jews. Nobody can die or "fulfill" or put to an end something that was given to and accepted forever by the Jewish nation.
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m_leonora1111: But do you know that all Christians today are Spiritual Israel?
So the 10 commandments is for EVERYONE that accept Jesus Christ as their Saviour and Lord. Not just for literal Jews. Because they are not the chosen nation of God anymore.
m_leonora1111: Christian propaganda because you cannot understand, and also capable to understand. Otherwise you have ask me how I know that.
You asked the question if jesus' death puts and end to the Law and I answered -- even giving a scriptural example for support. Feel free to insult my knowledge but that only proves YOUR ignorance. Not mine. Leviticus 26:44 is in YOUR bible too. You just choose to gloss over it.
Ignore this one too:
I Chronicles 16:13-16 –
“O, children of Israel His servant, you children of Jacob, HIS CHOSEN ONES; He is the Lord our G-d; His judgments are on all the earth. Be mindful always of His covenant; the word which He commanded to a thousand generations which He made with Abraham, and of his oath to Isaac; and has confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an EVERLASTING COVENANT.”
According to you and the message you convey, HIS CHOSEN ONES are no longer chosen even though this verse among many others make it crystal clear that the Jews are chosen for ever and ever in an EVERLASTING COVENANT. This either makes G-d a liar or you are sadly mistaken. Obviously it's the latter.
I provide scriptural evidence, you offer personal opinion and make baseless claims that I am "not capable" of understanding the scriptures given to my ancestors over 3,300 years ago.
m_leonora1111: Are you ready to learn the truth!! Take your Bible in your hand and LEARN the truth!!
Who is true Israel today?
Many professed Christians believe that the nation of Israel is still God's chosen nation, and Christ will establish His kingdom in Israel when He returns. They believe end time prophecy is all about Israel of the flesh.
The problem is, many Christians today miss the spiritual application of Israel, and instead of seeing the fulfillment in Christ, they are, like the Pharisees of old, still focused on the literal nation of Israel.
Yet what did Jesus say Himself when Pilot asked ... "Art thou the King of the Jews?"? Jesus said ... "My kingdom is NOT of this world." (John 18:33,36)
This is all based on the FAULTY understanding of who TRUE Israel are and who God's promises of 'restoration' pointed to. These professed Christians completely ignore the scriptures that tells us probation has ENDED for the nation of Israel. And their FAULTY teaching has led to other false teachings like a 'future antichrist', the false '1000 year millennial reign on earth' in Israel and will end up in causing countless Christians to accept a false christ.
By saying that God is yet to pardon the nation of Israel and give them yet another chance and restore them, is an incredible insult to our Heavenly Father! THEY ARE BASICALLY SAYING THAT GOD DIDN'T DO ENOUGH IN SENDING HIS OWN SON TO SAVE THEM!
Okay, let me start now with things that you never have seen in the Bible.
Exodus 19:5-6. 1 Kings 6:12-13. 1 Kings 9:6-7. Jeremiah 18:7-10.
Do you see? IF you obey me, THEN I will keep my covenant with you. But if you do not obey Me, then I will REPENT of the good I promised. CONDITIONAL. And what did the Jewish nation do? REJECT the Son of God! God knew this would happen, so pay careful attention to a prophecy He gave to them in Jeremiah 19:
Can a smashed pot be made whole again? No, it's not possible, and God even confirms above that the pot (the nation of Israel) CANNOT BE MADE WHOLE AGAIN. Jeremiah 19 was prophecy pointing to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD7O by the Romans.
Jesus even confirmed Himself, saying to the Jewish nation ... "Behold, your house is left unto you DESOLATE." (Matthew 23:38)
Do you know what that makes you? An israelite!
Romans 2:28-29. Romans 9:6-8.
The nation of Israel is not the 'vineyard, JESUS CHRIST is the 'vine' (John 15:5). The nation of Israel is not the 'seed', JESUS CHRIST is the 'seed' (Galatians 3:16. It is Jesus we are to look to,not the nation of Israel.
Need more evidence!! Let me know.
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Have you though of how immoral it is for you to abdicate your responsibilities for your sins and use Jesus as your scapegoat and savior?
Do you not see the great sin you ask yourself to do?
I don't think you care if you sin.
m_leonora1111: Read the title of this thread, before accusing people that you cannot understand their beliefs.
There is no conversation here. You asked a question so the reader would come to the conclusion that you are inquiring about a specific topic. An answer was given with scriptural support more than once. In reality you have a christian agenda, a closed mind and the compulsion to preach your narrow-minded doctrine with no intent to learn anything from anyone else. Jews are the eternally chosen ones so says Hashem Himself. Good luck with your life.
m_leonora1111: Then answer with yes or no. Because you have seen the truth Biblical. You tried to hide your wrong teaching. That's professed Christians that cannot understand what the Bible teaches.
My questions has nothing to do with your Jews answer.
Everybody can see now, that you don't accept the complete Biblical truth.
Is it so difficult to understand what CONDITIONAL means!! So blind!! This is the only thing left for people that follow men's teachings. 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12!! Amazing!!
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The answer is a hard NO.
I made that clear in my previous posts. You would benefit by reading what others type and say and focus less on forcing your beliefs on others.
God is real: How many times must i say this. 9 out of the 10 commandments are MORAL LAWS.The sabbath is ceremonial law.The moral part of the sabbath is to spend time with god.When and what to do IS CEREMONIALISM. I understand you are SDA but stop this nonesense really. You arent israel you arent jews.Dont pretend to be ones.You are gentiles.You are chrsitians.Dont bring people into bondages. Theres no such thing as conditional prophecy and ROME isnt the antichrist.Read the bible carefully. Ellen white was most likely false prophet. Deal with it
God is real:
Jesus even confirmed Himself, saying to the Jewish nation ... "Behold, your house is left unto you DESOLATE." (Matthew 23:38) .READ THE VERY NEXT VERSE AFTER THIS ONE AND STOP PROMOTING THIS REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY NONSENSE
God is real: Read romans 11 and jeremoah when it speaks about restoration of the enemies of israel ? IS THAT CONDITIONAL AS WELL? ITS SPEAKING ABOUT DIFFERENT NATIONS THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL.Are those conditional on israel as well ? SDA escatology is nonesense.Please study carefully
m_leonora1111: God is real. You don't know nothing what you are talking about. You have never seen or read how the SDA Church has started. I wish one day that you can open this side, and learn something. end-times-prophecy.org
And if Satan let you open it, then search for the sanctuary message. Stop following others that don't know the scriptures. If you want to be wise, search to know the foundation of the denominations.
God is real: i AM VERY well informed actually since i ve been there.You claim bible only yet all you do is trust EG commentaries.The first adventists were heretics while modern ones are trying their best to adopt protestnatism and even by that standard they teach nonsense.You dont know what you are talking about.You twist plain teachings of the text .You believe proven false prophet. I can give you all the quotations that no SDA have resolved at all.
m_leonora1111: Here, take it on more time. Maybe your eyes can open. The first time Satan has win you, because he doesn't let you open the truth. Now tel him to go okay. end-times-prophecy.org we are the remnant church today. Only Christians that can preached the Everlasting Gospel, are a remnant of God church.
When you open it, go and find, The Sanctuary Message.