Theodicies. Have the Christians any answers to the problem of evil? (Page 4)

harpalycus47: That wasn't in the question. So you agree that it would be irrational to choose to be irrational. In which case being irrational isn't a choice, so why am I irrational?

zeffur: Now answer my quesiton "How do you rationalize your rejection of a perfect God??"

harpalycus47: There isn't a perfect God to reject.
Now explain how I can make an irrational decision if I am rational.

zeffur: it doesn't matter if it was in the question or not, you could rationally decide to be irrational--there is a logical scenario in which it is logically valid.

re: "being irrational isn't a choice"

That ^^ is bad/faulty logic. People have the free will to decide to be irrational & actually are often irrational by choice--it happens every day. Smokers & atheists are a perfect examples.

zeffur: Now answer my quesiton "How do you rationalize your rejection of a perfect God??"

harpalycus47: It is a thought experiment, Zeffur. The parameters are fixed. You cannot introduce extraneous conditions.
Let me make the parameters clear. I will change the subject to prevent further 'misunderstanding' You are a perfect being in a perfect world possessed of perfect relevant knowledge. In what possible way could you make an irrational choice?

zeffur: Your logic is faulty. People make irrational decisions every day.

People are created Spiritually perfect, but they do not remain Spiritually perfect. That is a reality. Your thinking is not logical. Only God is ALWAYS perfect.

harpalycus47: Not in a perfect world they don't. Unless you can explain how.

zeffur: Your logic is faulty. People make irrational decisions every day.

People are created Spiritually perfect, but they do not remain Spiritually perfect. That is a reality. Your thinking is not logical. Only God is ALWAYS perfect.

harpalycus47: Not in a rational world, Zeffur. If you disagree explain how this could happen

zeffur: Now answer my quesiton "How do you rationalize your rejection of a perfect God??"

zeffur: Stop avoiding answering my question!

harpalycus47: I've answered it. There is no perfect god.

zeffur: There is a perfect God & mankind has known about Him for millennia.

harpalycus47: So, how can you make an irrational decision in a perfect world Zeffur.

zeffur: Nature has no intelligence or capability to originate life/DNA & all the whole life forms that have existed on earth. We've studied nature for generations & that is a known & indisputable FACT!
That means abiogenesis & evolution are 100% false.

zeffur: We don't live in a perfect world. That's a unrealistic fantasy question.

harpalycus47: Oh dear. Are you a bot, Zeffur?

zeffur: Nature has no intelligence or capability to originate life/DNA & all the whole life forms that have existed on earth. We've studied nature for generations & that is a known & indisputable FACT!
That means abiogenesis & evolution are 100% false. An intelligence creator is necessary for life to exist--we've known about that creator for millennia.

harpalycus47: Oh double dear, Zeffur. Had you not worked out that we are talking about the Garden of Eden? Really? Honestly?

harpalycus47: Interested to hear that the Garden of Eden is a fantasy, though.

zeffur: Opinions aren't facts. Can you disprove the garden of Eden & Adam & Eve existed??

harpalycus47: Not trying to. How can you make an irrational decision in a perfect world?

zeffur: How would a bunch of tent dwelling cattle herders millennia ago work out how the universe & all life was created, if they were not told it by an intelligent being to document it??

harpalycus47: I do wish you wouldn't edit your postings way after they have been answered.