Theodicies. Have the Christians any answers to the problem of evil? (Page 10)

harpalycus47: If he didn't how did he become so?

zeffur: All beings can decide for themselves whether they will obey or disobey God.
All beings are required to love God. satan disobeyed by envying & hating God.

harpalycus47: So, where did Satan's arrogance come from. That's what you were asked.

harpalycus47: Isn't arrogance an imperfection, wrong, a sin?

zeffur: His free will decision to disobey God's commandment to love God.
It caused him to become imperfect--which led to more disobedience/sins & further separation from God's perfection.

harpalycus47: God has to command people to love him? Really?
And he does so? Commands people to love him?
Incredible.
Isn't he just, well, lovable?

zeffur: It is for their benefit & for the benefit of everyone else to remain in God's perfection.
It also helps with their development to focus on God's perfection.

harpalycus47: So was Satan's choice of disobedience wrong Zeffur?
And if it was wrong could it have been the perfect choice?
And if it was not perfect, why wasn't it, because didn't God make him perfect?
All you're doing is taking Eve's failure back one step.

harpalycus47: It is for their benefit & for the benefit of everyone else to remain in God's perfection.
It is indeed. So why does God allow someone to wreck this big time.
Free will is not free licence.

zeffur: The moment satan disobeyed God by hating God & loving himself is the moment that satan became imperfect. It is wrong for any being to disobey God--satan isn't special in that regard.
You also irrationally hate & irrationally try to blame God--that is not logical, as the mess that humans are in is a direct consequence of their disobedience.

harpalycus47: So, we have a perfect Eve making an imperfect choice
God creating unworthy things.
Corruption in the Garden of Eden.
And no answers.

zeffur: Dude, my logic is perfect--yours is irrational & it has always been irrational.

harpalycus47: Wrong Zeffur, his decision to disobey God was imperfect. It was wrong. So where did that come from???
I blame God because he is the SOLE creator. He made everything. So the suffering and evil in the world was originally created by God. It has to be. He is the only creator. You can't blame it on anybody else. You can't blame it on his creation, because he created them with all the faults they have.
Logically, if God made the world then he is responsible for everything in it. Nobody else made anything.

harpalycus47: So show it is irrational, Oh great logician.

zeffur: re: "harpalycus47: So, we have a perfect Eve making an imperfect choice. God creating unworthy things. Corruption in the Garden of Eden. And no answers."

Why does your brain not function properly??

I have already made it abundantly clear many times that beings are created perfect with free will that can cause them to become imperfect the moment that they disobey God.

Eve was perfect until the moment that she disobeyed God. This is not difficult to understand.
The Garden of Eden was a perfect utopia--but that didn't mean that God would not allow the evil one to tempt Adam & even.

I've already answered you repeatedly. You fail to understand because you are focused on your irrational notions & because you do not want to understand. What i have clearly stated repeatedly is not difficult to understand.

harpalycus47: You have simply descended to desperate denial, empty repetitions and your trademark juvenile abuse.
Either you can't, or won't understand simple logic.
Go away.
I'm tired of you.
You are a disgrace to your so-called God.

zeffur: re: " harpalycus47: Wrong Zeffur, his decision to disobey God was imperfect."

Only when he actually disobeyed God did he become imperfect.

zeffur: Lol. You've logically lost & you refuse to admit it. So atheist of you.

W/e dude... Delude on in vain..

BelgianStrider: Can god ever make wrong decisions? Why?

zeffur: No, God is perfect.

God has however regretted (to think of with a sense of loss or disappointment) a few times in The Bible. And no, that doesn't mean that He is not omniscient or that He wouldn't have done the things that He did unless He was not omniscient. Sometimes beings do things that they regret doing--even though they know they were necessary.

BelgianStrider: god is perfect, can't make wrong decisions as he is perfect, created a perfect angel called lucifer or something like that, created perfect adam and eve. Though the latest 3 could made wrong decisions! How can that be explained?

zeffur: I've already explained it repeatedly. How are you unable to understand the obvious??
Creating something perfect that can make decisions which cause it to be imperfect is the nature of giving beings free will--they can decide to disobey. Once again---created perfect with the power of free will does not mean they will remain perfect. Why can you not understand??

Got makes beings that can decide for themselves---he does not interfere with their free will decisions--but, he does judge them perfectly in the end for their decisions, as violating His moral laws has consequences.

BelgianStrider: Does that imply that because we have free will and can get imperfect, god being perfect has no free will ?

zeffur: No. God wasn't created. God is eternal & the Creator of all other beings.

Created beings do not have God's full powers & we have limitations that God does not have.

BelgianStrider: does not anwer the question: does he have free will or not?