Who is the Holy Spirit?

m_leonora1111: Due the teaching of the false Trinity god in the majority of churches today, many Christians do not know the truth regarding the Holy Spirit. So on this study I will share the truth regarding the Holy Spirit, as where it comes from and whose presence it brings to us.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Let me confirm that I am not trying to describe the nature of the Holy Spirit, as to where it comes from, as this is a mystery. I am simply sharing the clear Biblical truth of WHOSE presence it brings to us. God has not revealed the nature of the Holy Spirit, but He HAS revealed where it comes from, and WHOSE presence it brings to us.

Revelation 5:1,6,7 Acts 2:32-33

These are very revealing verses regarding the Holy Spirit. Notice that the Lamb, which is Christ has 'seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God to send forth into all the earth'. This is reference to the Holy Spirit, and who is that HAS the Holy Spirit to send? It is Jesus Christ. He has 'RECEIVED the Holy Spirit FROM the Father'. Take a look at the following Bible verses:

Luke 12:11-12. Matthew 10:19-20.

As you can see, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father. But does it come straight to us from the Father? No, as the Father does all things through His beloved Son. It's the same with giving the Holy Spirit, as you can see above in Acts 2:32-33. The Father gives the Holy Spirit through His Son Jesus. So in effect, it is Jesus who come to us (John 14:18). And this lines up with what is revealed in Revelation, chapters 1 and 2.

Revelation 1:12-16. Revelation 2:1,7. Revelation 3:20.

First of all, who does John see 'speaking' to him? He sees Jesus Christ right? Then Jesus confirm it is He who is holding the seven stars and walking in the midst of the candlesticks, speaking to the churches. It is Jesus Himself speaking to the churches. Now look what Christ says at the end of each message to the churches ... He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Jesus confirms that HE is the Spirit speaking to the churches. Which confirms what Revelation 5 says regarding Christ being the one who HAS the Holy Spirit to send to us. It is Christ's OWN divine Spirit, which He sends, NOT another 'third being' like the trinity teaching says.

"Live with Him, brethren; live with Him; that is what He wants. Why He is raised from the dead, and we are raised up with Him that we may live with Him. Romans 6:8. His personal presence is to be with us. That is what the Laodicean message is to do with us." ( A.T. Jones, General Conference Bulletin, 1893, p. 300)

"When God's people take the position that they are the TEMPLE OF THE HOLY GHOST, CHRIST HIMSELF is abiding within, they will so clearly reveal Him in spirit, words and actions, that there will be an unmistakable distinction between them and Satan's followers." ( Ms. 100, July 14, 1902, par. 24)

Many professed Christians make the mistake in thinking that because the Bible says the Holy Spirit 'SPEAKS', then it must be a literal 'third being' of the Trinity. The problem is they fail to that it is CHRIST who is speaking to us, not another 'third being'.

Revelation 3:20. Revelation 3:1.

So, the 'Spirit' speaking in Revelation was Jesus Christ Himself, not some third being separated from the Father and Son. Now, this isn't just limited to the book of Revelation. There are many other New Testament verses which support this truth of the Holy Spirit actually being the Spirit of Jesus Christ. Let's take a look at some of them:

John 14:16-20. Matthew 18:20. Acts 1:1-2

Now, many people look at this 'comforter' quote in John above and just automatically think that Jesus was talking about sending someone else. And yet Jesus reveals in these verses exactly how the comforter was going to be. Jesus told the disciples that they knew the comforter, because He was actually with them in physical form. Who was with them? Christ Himself! Jesus told the disciples that He would not leave us comfortless, HE would come to us HIMSELF! And Jesus also confirmed HE would be the one inside us,not someone else!

Where many people stumble regarding the comforter is when Jesus refers to the comforter as 'he'. But there need not be any confusion. Take a look at the following verses and you will see how Jesus refers to HIMSELF as 'He' and 'Him' ...

John 17:1-2. John 5:19. John 4:10

Can you see how Jesus is referring to HIMSELF as 'He' and 'Him'? And that is exactly what He was doing in John 14 speaking of the comforter. He was referring to HIMSELF as the comforter, which is why He said ... "I will come to you".

GeraldtheGnome: No one and work on that grammar of yours.

GeraldtheGnome: For you to even believe that there is a Holy Spirit you have to show that such a ghost is possibly around somewhere right now. How do you even show that to prove it ? You just can not do it.

m_leonora1111: Sure I can, go and see on YouTube in xfactory, or just click magicians. Ask one of them in your country with what power, they are doing their miracles.

And I told you already, if you want people here to work on their grammar, then open a school here on this forum. Not on Christians forums, but somewhere else.

Invite us Gerald!!

GeraldtheGnome: You made some mistakes on this forum. What is xfactory ? I never brought up magicians, so I don’t know what you mean by that. Good things have happened even though I never I don’t really think that there has ever been one miracle. There’s no need for a comma before the word or for any reason and there is no reason to use the word and at the front of a sentence or an extra exclamation mark anywhere.

There is no Holy Spirit of any kind, it’s just the guess that what really is the wind is about a Ghost, a Holy Ghost that some think is around somewhere right now.

m_leonora1111: Boy! You are Satan agent!!

GeraldtheGnome: You made some errors there. There is no Holy Spirit. No one is an agent of the imaginary Satan. Please don't use so many exclamation marks.

GeraldtheGnome: Then again we might both be wrong since the Holy Spirit might just be communion Wine. It’s odd to falsely refer to it as blood.

m_leonora1111: My brother, please try to understand, just think. Can you see wind?
Can you see electricity?

So if you are just living in believing in only what you see, you can never experience what a God is.

You are just an empty man.

GeraldtheGnome: You usually can’t see the wind but you can feel it and in most cases you can see electricity, static electricity is an exception usually. God is a name, a medieval name, it’s a god, not a God. There is nothing empty about me. Each religious god is made up. The Bible reference to The Holy Spirit is only about the wind or the atmosphere, some in the past and now think that it’s about a religious Ghost. Each religious god is made up.

I’m not an angry man.

youarewell2: Yes, I know there is a Holy Spirit. He speaks.

GeraldtheGnome: He doesn’t speak because he is not around anywhere right now. He is made up.

GeraldtheGnome:

Isn't it illegal to give a bit of the 'Holy Spirit' to minors ?

youarewell2: GERALDTHEGNOME

** Maybe you are not listening.

GeraldtheGnome: Stop using so many capitals. What are the symbols about too ? No one can listen to an imaginary friend. Maybe I should get drunk on some Holy Spirits, them and the wind/atmosphere are the only way any Holy Spirit can be found. There is no supernatural Holy Spirit god. A god, if there is even at least one, does have an origin.

GeraldtheGnome: There has got to be someone to listen to. Casper the Holy Ghost, a Father god and a son god are all made up.

youarewell2: GeraldtheGnome:
Stop using so many capitals. What are the symbols about too ? No one can listen to an imaginary friend. Maybe I should get drunk on some Holy Spirits, them and the wind/atmosphere are the only way any Holy Spirit can be found. There is no supernatural Holy Spirit god. A god, if there is even at least one, does have an origin.


**hmm***

Not the way to communicate with the Holy Spirit.

GeraldtheGnome: So how do you communicate with the wind/atmosphere ? After all that’s what imaginary Holy Spirit really is. Stars, hmm, no capital and no full stop. That’s very bad. Work on that grammar of yours and do not repeat my own words, that is very rude.

youarewell2: GeraldtheGnome
So how do you communicate with the wind/atmosphere ?

**The Holy Spirit is not the natural wind or atmosphere.**** However, the Holy Spirit is invisible like the wind, but not the wind. He is a Ghost that comes from God. He communicates with you. He is the voice within you telling you that Jesus is real and that Jesus loves you. He is the one that quietly urges you to listen to Jesus. He is already telling you that God exists, God is real and God is right.


John 16:8 - And when he comes, he will convict the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgment.

John 16:9 - The world’s sin is that it refuses to believe in me.

GeraldtheGnome: Answer a question without repeating what I put, you really have no manners whatsoever and are just a self righteous fool. Use full stops at all times, don't use symbols, The Holy Spirit is the wind/breeze/the air/atmosphere. The Holy Spirit moved over the water just means that a breeze went over the water, you really are too stupid to notice that. Having a sense of false certainty over what you cannot prove that I can and already have disproved is foolhardy. There is no god by the medieval name God or by any Hebrew name, the Ghost who you think is around somewhere right now is not. You so far have never proven anything that you have claimed and you never will. The word is exist, not exists. The bloody Bible by anonymous authors does not prove that they were ever around and that they are around.

The it's written in a religious book that you like therefore it is true according to you is a very dumb way to think, yet that is what you have done. Don't use hyphens for no reason, don't use a comma before the word and also and do not use the word and at the front of a sentence no matter who did in the past. The world is only a planet, it doesn't have sin, it's not a life form. There is no god named Jesus, which itself is a name from after The Iron Age, there is no god who is the son of the god who you mistakenly think is around right now.

youarewell2: GeraldTheGnome

YOU SAID THIS:
The Holy Spirit is the wind/breeze/the air/atmosphere.

MY RESPONSE:
**I disagree. The Holy Spirit is not simply the air you breathe

YOU SAID THIS:
Having a sense of false certainty over what you cannot prove that I can and already have disproved is foolhardy.

MY RESPONSE:
You can't prove there is no God. Jesus already gave us proof He existed. Typing "there is no god, he is imaginary" over and over is not proof. But it is entertaining.

YOU SAID THIS:
The world is only a planet, it doesn't have sin, it's not a life form.

MY RESPONSE:
True. But you sin.

YOU SAID THIS:
The bloody Bible by anonymous authors does not prove that they were ever around and that they are around.

MY RESPONSE
Not true. The books in the Bible have known authors.

YOU SAID THIS:
You so far have never proven anything that you have claimed and you never will.

MY RESPONSE:
You want me to prove someone else's love for you. That is crazy.

GeraldtheGnome: You have used capitals too much, you don't like to put full stops everywhere where they should be and you have also have used colons where there was no need for them. Stop being very rude by repeating what I, Ghostgeek and so on tell you. It's very rude. I never said anything on this text based site. You are right though, The Holy Spirit is also a figment of your imagination and the figment of the imagination of many others. Thanks for correcting me there. Again you have never proven that The Holy Spirit is around somewhere right now, all you've done and all that you ever will do about that is tell me that he is around for sure because you are certain that he is around, that is blind faith. Because you read a damn book does not mean that everything in the book is true. Learn that instead of being a complete ignoramus.

I can actually prove that there is no god named God, if you use another Christian name for the god of The Bible then I will prove that the god that you claim is around right now is not around anywhere, also that he never was around anywhere and that he never will be. I never typed that there is no god around anywhere, you either failed to notice that or you lied to me. You claiming that there is certainly a certain creator god of The Bible over and over is not proof. It is entertaining though. Are you really going along with that self righteous crap ? I sin ? You know this how exactly ? The repeated Christian crap of everyone is a sinner is just boring, it always was and it always will be. I never literally said anything on this text based site.

The books of The Bible do not have known authors. It's now, not nowadays and it's a story, no one should use narrative. There are grammatical and pronunciation errors in the video. I don't agree with everything that is in the video. We ? I don't like the collective we being used when it shouldn't be used. It's unified people, not a unified people. No one knows for sure when the original books of The Tanakh are, no one knows for sure what is within whatever the original books where about obviously and out of the earliest known books that are still intact there is no names of any authors on them and there is no suggestion of who the authors of each of them were. Guessed author names were added onto later.



I never asked you to prove what you claim that you think I asked you to prove. What's crazy is believing that something came from nothing, a god is around right now yet has no origin, a Serpent talked and was shape shifted magically, spontaneous generation happened more than once, a virgin got pregnant by magic, a global flood happened when even in the book it is not about that and there was a talking Donkey. Of course if you can prove someone's love for me then send her to me if she's worth me knowing at all, if not then I'm fine the way things are for me.

GeraldtheGnome:

youarewell2: GeraldtheGnome

YOU POSTED THIS:
I can actually prove that there is no god named God, if you use another Christian name for the god of The Bible then I will prove that the god that you claim is around right now is not around anywhere, also that he never was around anywhere and that he never will be.

MY RESPONSE:
Oh don't bother yourself trying to prove that to me. I hear God speak to me. I seen how He changed my life. I seen his miracles personally. You would be greatly wasting your time trying to use history , when I actually have had my own personal experience. People who have really had an encounter with God, do not sit around and look to history to prove or disprove God. Why? We can hear God speak to us directly.

YOU POSTED THIS:
The books of The Bible do not have known authors

MY RESPONSE:
Yes the books of the Bible acutally have authors. They are written at different time periods, with many hundreds of years apart. The Ancient Israelites are like most other ancient tribes that kept records of their own history. But yet you seem a little biased with Ancient Israel. You have even cited and used other ancient peoples and their histories and they have writings similar. Yet maybe you have a personal grievance with a God that you said is Imaginary. Just a personal observation, but you have written literally paragraphs and paragraphs about something that you say is imaginary. I

GeraldtheGnome: You lied to me. An imaginary god hasn’t spoken, not speak, to anyone, such a god is a figment of your imagination. If you hear voices in your head then you need a shrink straight away. I don’t need to try anything, I can prove it, not just try to prove it. You and people around you changed your life, not an invisible man in the sky. You’re supposed to be an adult, believing in fairy tales for adults is just silly. Grow up. The books of The Bible have anonymous authors. Later on some known people made Bible versions. I see things as they are, you are the biased one, not me. The word is people, not peoples, you don’t use a plural for a plural. The people’s opinion, that’s the opinion of the people, using the letter s in that manner is the only proper exception. Damn political correctness again !

No one has a grievance with an imaginary god by any medieval name like you just used or by any Hebrew or other name for any imaginary god. Not known means that the authors were anonymous. If you weren’t stupid you would have figured that out long ago. Once again, I do not use the internet term posted, I use the word posted in other ways. Either stop repeating my words or ingnore each message of mine, never repeat them. The Holy Spirit is still just the wind.

youarewell2: GeraldtheGnome

YOU POSTED THIS:
You lied to me.

MY RESPONSE:
I am innocent until you can prove me guilty. So prove that God does not speak. So far, you say He does not exists, so your proof seems to as not exist.

YOU POSTED THIS:
An imaginary god hasn’t spoken, not speak, to anyone, such a god is a figment of your imagination. If you hear voices in your head then you need a shrink straight away.

MY RESPONSE:
I don't need to see a shrink for a problem you are having. You are the one that seems very disturbed with my ability to hear God. So, generally the person having the issue should seek help. As for me, my ability to hear God has actually improved my life. It makes me more healthy, more sane, more kinder, more loving and more respectful. It keeps from danger. God tells me about something before it happens, and when it happens I already knew it would. God makes me overjoyed on the inside, which makes you treat others with joy. God's love is incredible. God's miracles of healing my physical body is outstanding. The list just keep going on and on.

YOU POSTED THIS:
I can prove it, not just try to prove it.

MY RESPONSE:
Feel free to prove it then. So far, you haven't proved that God does not exist.


YOU POSTED THIS:
You and people around you changed your life, not an invisible man in the sky

MY RESPONSE:
This sounds narcissistic. I am not saying you are one. You might want to try not to sound like an authority of another person's life. It is really unhealthy to have this kind of thinking. Once, you start this behavior we are no longer having a conversation, we are now dealing with your fear.

YOU POSTED THIS:
I see things as they are, you are the biased one, not me.

MY RESPONSE:
Biased, does not mean we see things differently. You and I are different and we will see things differently. But you see things as you can only see them, because you are lacking an experience that would give you the understanding that God exists.

YOU POSTED THIS:
You’re supposed to be an adult, believing in fairy tales for adults is just silly.

MY RESPONSE:
Well, true. I guess it would be sill for adults to believe that "fairy tales" are real. The problem is God is not a "fairy". God is real. He is the head and not the "tale" of anything. God is the Supreme authority of the breath in your lungs. Nobody gave you an ability to breath air but Him. Nobody gave you, your life Force within your body. God gave you life. You come from Him. And when it is time for him to take that life out of your body, no Scientist will help you . All your Atheist Friends cannot help you . To God alone you will go. And just because God is kind to you and gentle until you come to your right mind to understand He Exist, does not mean He is a Fairy Tale.

YOU POSTED THIS:
Not known means that the authors were anonymous.

MY RESPONSE:
You don't know the authors because you didn't exist then. So, you are not going to personally know them. However, the authors were known by others and they passed that information down.