Most atheists dont know about science (Page 7) Blackshoes: I've read it all " If you bother reading you would *already Know how Ludicrous and Pseudoscientific Evolution is. As long as you're not already a faithful Religious follow the Academia preachers' of such a ridiculous theory  To make assumptions that Life could have devolved without a designer! Even someone with just a rudimentary Knowledge the Complexity of Life and DNA already knows better  If we open a quarrel between past and present, we shall find that we have lost the future. Winston Churchill (Edited by Blackshoes)  srbiddy09: BlackShoes: You have provided a marvelous quote from Sir Winston Churchill--a towering political figure of the 20th Century (and quite rotund). However, he did not possess a degree in Biology or any of the Hard Sciences. In school, students are taught to back up their arguments with relevant information from sources that are noted experts in the field that they are discussing. To that end, your Churchill quote is sort of like a Shakepeare Scholar backing up his unique interpretation of Othello with a quote from a professional bowler or a shoe-shine boy. Now, when are you just gonna shut up and send us that dick pic??? (Edited by srbiddy09)  chronology: Well, how did fire arms become a topic? There is no argument that people in isolated homes in the U.S. need firearms. But in big cities? Let's see. In 2017 the number of Americans killed by guns in the City of Chicago was around 670. In the entire of Vietnam in 1972 there were around the same number of Americans killed in the conflict there. That is an absolutely shocking figure. Around 3600 people in Chicago were shot with handguns in the same year 2017. The medical cost of treating those people averaged 21000 dollars. What Americans in cities need is to replace guns with Taisers that would be regulated in the same way as handguns are now. Blackshoes: I have already given Mountain's Of Science facts ,and information too show how false Evolution is already! Through out My Forum", and a number of other Science forums . Never has any Evolutionist nor scientist shown any science or facts that can explain the assumption used within they're theory that can explain the Complexity of DNA and Life . If you bother to read ? You'll find that information within my Science forum and other. I also left a Site with a example of the contradiction within Evolutionary theory just below Winston Churchills Quote ! I often forget to explain how important reading can be ! Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school. Albert Einstein By the Way asking for pictures ? . Clearly shows that your "srbiddy09: " need of visual references is due to your lack of linguist skills If you want to silence someone ' all you have to do is tell the truth . God knows Academia doesn't When it comes to they're theories of Evolution ! One very Interesting Note ! Too this day student are taught by Academia that in the pass that The religious leaders believed that the earth was Flat  What they often forget too mention " to todays students " is that Religious leaders in the Pass, were the Academia of they're time ! It takes a real Man to look closely into the Mirror ! (Edited by Blackshoes) srbiddy09: Hi Black Shoes. I agee with you about the importance of reading. I am a very big fan of books! My favorites are the Sweet Valley High series, written by Francine Pascal. If you haven't read them already, I highly recommend them. I am afraid that I must disagree with you about my "need for visual references" being due to a lack of my "linguist (sic) skills." Truthfully, I am asking for pictures of your penis because I am attracted to you and would very much like to see your penis--fully erect, if possible. Also, I would suggest that you utilize a Spell Check program, since your posts contain many grammatical errors that detract from your arguments. "Poor grammar is what remains after one has forgotten what they learned in elementary school English classes." --Gabe Kotter srbiddy09: Black Shoes: Here is a link to an article that will help improve your grammar and overall writing skills!!! https://authority.pub/common-grammar-mistakes/  kittybobo34: Blackshoes: I asked about your reason against the Cambrian explosion and you said " Simple The Evolutionary Theory doesn't even suggest rapid species development " In fact it does. When a species has unchecked growth as in NO predators or an empty environment it can increase in number and spread thoughout the world as many did after the asteroid impact of the Paleozoic, when Reptiles ruled the planet, or at the end of that, in the Triassic when Dinosaurs replace Reptiles, or at the end of that when Mammals replaced dinosaurs in the Tertiary period. Massive numbers of a species in separated varied environments causes evolution to expand exponentially. This was also true in the Cambrian, when the first single cells evolved sex. Prior to this it was all asexual, and evolution was extremely slow. Sexual reproduction encodes the capacity to change. With an entire world to populate the arms race of species against species was on. Evolving the first eyes, bones, exoskeletons etc. etc. Many of those changes were failures, but some succeeded each finding its own niche. 8 legged, 6 legged, 4 legged creatures evolved, and those branched out to other successes. Once all the niches were filled, and stabilized, evolution slowed down again, until the next apocalyptic change in the environment happened. So the Cambrian explosion fits the paradigm of evolution quite well. You mentioned insects not changing, what would you have them change into , they have reached the end of their capacity, there has been some minor changes, and expansions into new environments that didn't exist then, and many more subspecies like the many varieties of ant. Remember that its not random change alone, but environmental success that counts too. (Edited by kittybobo34)  terryanderson1986: Science, Religion, and Crazy .... what more could anyone ask for in one thread.... kittybobo34: Terry, boggles my mind that I can't get Blackshoes to recognize the physical facts around him that are beyond question. Blackshoes: Academia has a assumption for everything within the theory of Evolution .  Interesting how you believe that Evolution Slow down 'then speeds up 'then slows down or even stops; without any Microbiological evidence whatsoever ! "The “Cambrian Explosion” refers to the appearance in the fossil record of most major animal body plans about 543 million years ago. The new fossils appear in an interval of 20 million years or less. On evolutionary time scales, 20 million years is a rapid burst that appears to be inconsistent with the gradual pace of evolutionary change. However, rapid changes like this appear at other times in the fossil record, often following times of major extinction. The Cambrian Explosion does present a number of interesting and important research questions. It does not, however, challenge the fundamental correctness of the central thesis of evolution." https://biologos.org/common-questions/scientific-evidence/cambrian-explosion/ Calling something Science ",doesn't make it Science ! If you were not so Religiously convinced of a Pseudoscience' you be able to Understand how false it is ! "Cambrian Explosion Disproves Evolution Introduction One of the most remarkable pieces of evidence disproving evolution is the “Cambrian Explosion” Most textbooks never mention it, and the ones that do relegate it to a short phrase or paragraph as if it is some insignificant detail. This phenomenon is so pronounced in the fossil record that Scientific American called it “life’s big bang.” It is considered one of the biggest challenges to evolutionary theory. Many reputable and highly accomplished scientists at major accredited universities worldwide say it is an insurmountable challenge. Moreover, I believe it is proof that evolution is merely a widely held myth of popular culture. Cambrian Explosion “Cambrian explosion” refers to the great quantity and diversity of life found in what is called the Cambrian layer of the geologic column. The Cambrian age in the geologic time scale is dated by scientists as being about 530 million years old. What is really interesting is not just what is found in this layer, but what is found in the layers above it, and what is not found in layers under it. The Cambrian layer has virtually every phyla known to man. Yes, all major body plans and enormous varieties of each all coexist in this layer. No evolutionary sequence here, they are all coexistent simultaneously. Layers Above and Below Remarkably the layers below the Cambrian have practically nothing with regard to fossilized specimens. The few creatures that are found in pre-Cambrian strata are all soft-bodied organisms like worms. So essentially you have nothing along the lines of organic complexity and diversity pre-Cambrian, and then suddenly everything. But wait, it gets even more interesting. To compound this huge problem the number of species fossilized in the layers above the Cambrian period gradually decrease with each successive layer. Once you reach the most recent layers approximately 98% of every thing that has ever lived is extinct. Have you ever heard that 98% of everything that has ever lived is extinct? This is where that saying came from—hard scientific fact. A reasonable and honest person must conclude from the evidence that the fossil record is diametrically opposite what would be predicted by evolutionary theory. It is noteworthy that these conclusions are derived from a geologic time framework that is put forth by scientists own interpretation of geologic evidence. In fact, the belief that the strata represent different geologic ages is just that, a belief. Nevertheless, it is a belief held among scientists world-wide. Darwin Knew Darwin and his contemporaries were aware of this problem with the fossil record some 150 years ago, but they believed that the fossil record had been insufficiently sampled up to that time. Their “belief” was that paleontological research in the future would more adequately sample the fossil record and show it to be more in line with evolutionary theory. They were wrong! Exactly the opposite happened. After a century and half of excavating fossils from the strata we have found the problem to be worse, not better. Contrary to the tree of life depicted in the school books, the fossil record depicts exactly the opposite story. The tree of life is an inverted cone, and not a tree at all. No Correlation Remember, evolutionary theory states that everything evolved from a common ancestor that climbed out of the primordial soup. This ancient ancestor gradually evolved. Its evolutionary progress branched out into different paths and these different paths led to the creation of increasingly complex and divergent organic forms. The paths continued to branch out resulting in the great diversity of life we have today. Now, if this is true, what would you expect to see in the fossil record? Of course you would expect to see simple organisms in the lowest layers and a gradual increase in diversity and complexity of life as you progress to more recent layers in the geologic time scale. But what do we really find in the fossil record? We find the exact opposite. Not something ambiguous like everything found in each layer. No, you find the exact opposite of what is predicted by evolution. From a correlation perspective you do not find a factor of 1, meaning perfect correlation, or a 0, meaning no correlation, you find a -1, meaning perfectly uncorrelated to the prediction. Now I don’t know about you, but I find this compelling proof that evolution did not happen. This begs the question, how much proof do evolutionary scientists need anyway? Belief In Spite of Evidence You must be saying to yourself at this point, “How could that be? How could they speak about this theory with such surety with such strong evidence to the contrary?” The answer is simple. They believe the theory in spite of the evidence. That is why many leading creation scientists keep referring to evolution as a philosophy of science or even a religion. This belief is so strong in academic circles that scientists are chided if they even question evolution publicly. Why are they ridiculed? They are ridiculed because the only alternative to evolution is creation. Some like to pretend there are a variety of options in explaining origins. This is simply not so. The options often presented are merely shades of the two primary options, and scientists know this. Conclusion If evolution did not take place, if the natural forces at work today did not create the diversity of life we see on our little blue world, then something supernatural must be responsible. True science seeks to understand, no matter what the philosophical or metaphysical ramifications may be. That is why evolution is not science, but rather a philosophy, for it seeks to explain things within only one possible framework, whether or not this framework is true. The facts are that the scientists' own interpretation of the fossil record clearly demonstrates that every species appeared at once suddenly and then gradually died off with the passage of time. The significance of this great body of evidence against evolutionary theory in the fossil record cannot be stressed enough. It is utterly devastating to evolutionary theory completely by itself. But in the final analysis, it is but one of a plethora of scientific facts that refute the 19th century fable that is evolution. In closing I would like to share with you some of my favorite quotes on the subject by leading evolutionary scientists, and even Darwin himself. By their own words they admit this very important piece of the evolutionary puzzle does not fit, and never will. Enjoy. “There is another and allied difficulty, which is much more serious. I allude to the manner in which species belonging to several of the main divisions of the animal kingdom suddenly appear in the lowest known fossiliferous rocks.” (Darwin, The Origin of Species, p. 348), “The abrupt manner in which whole groups of species suddenly appear in certain formations, has been urged by several palaeontologists—for instance, by Agassiz, Pictet, and Sedgwick—as a fatal objection to the belief in the transmutation of species. If numerous species, belonging to the same genera or families, have really started into life at once, the fact would be fatal to the theory of evolution through natural selection.” (Ibid., p. 344), “To the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these assumed earliest periods prior to the Cambrian system, I can give no satisfactory answer.” (Ibid., p. 350), “The case at present must remain inexplicable, and may be truly urged as a valid argument against the views here entertained.” (Ibid., p. 351), “The most famous such burst, the Cambrian explosion, marks the inception of modern multicellular life. Within just a few million years, nearly every major kind of animal anatomy appears in the fossil record for the first time ... The Precambrian record is now sufficiently good that the old rationale about undiscovered sequences of smoothly transitional forms will no longer wash.” (Stephen Jay Gould, “An Asteroid to Die For,” Discover, October 1989, p. 65), “And we find many of them [Cambrian fossils] already in an advanced state of evolution, the very first time they appear. It is as though they were just planted there, without any evolutionary history. Needless to say, this appearance of sudden planting has delighted creationists.” (Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker London: W.W. Norton & Company, 1987, p. 229), “One of the major unsolved problems of geology and evolution is the occurrence of diversified, multicellular marine invertebrates in Lower Cambrian rocks on all the continents and their absence in rocks of greater age.” (I. Axelrod, “Early Cambrian Marine Fauna,” Science, Vol. 128, 4 July 1958, p. 7), “Evolutionary biology’s deepest paradox concerns this strange discontinuity. Why haven’t new animal body plans continued to crawl out of the evolutionary cauldron during the past hundreds of millions of years? Why are the ancient body plans so stable?” (Jeffrey S. Levinton, “The Big Bang of Animal Evolution,” Scientific American, Vol. 267, November 1992, p. 84), “Granted an evolutionary origin of the main groups of animals, and not an act of special creation, the absence of any record whatsoever of a single member of any of the phyla in the Pre-Cambrian rocks remains as inexplicable on orthodox grounds as it was to Darwin.” (T. Neville George Professor of Geology at the University of Glasgow, “Fossils in Evolutionary Perspective,” Science Progress, Vol. 48, No. 189, January 1960, p. 5).' Will Hoyt http://www.learnthebible.org/cambrian-explosion-disproves-evolution.html (Edited by Blackshoes) kittybobo34: Blackshoes, yes evolution speeds up and slows down, surprised you didn't know this basic fact. The random gene changes are guided by species numbers and survivability. Survivability includes environment, and predators all of which are a moving target. The introduction you copy pasted is full of BS. The guy talks and talks but doesn't really say anything, and he is quite good at refering to 1950's science. It's also quite obvious he doesn't understand evolution ether. But, if you have a question about how it really works, just ask. We can get away from generalizations and focus on specific points. srbiddy09: Black Shoes: In case you missed it, here is a link to an article that will help you with your grammar and writing. https://authority.pub/common-grammar-mistakes/ Blackshoes: "A basic fact "LOL It's assumed LOL There are no FACTS within evolution ! whatsoever !EVERYTHING ABOUT EVOLUTION IS ASSUMED ! Name one fact ! No Fossil DNA evidence that can show they're endless assumed 'line ups of species fossils ! No Microbiological Process that can change one species into another ! There's Mountains of Evidence and facts that reject even the possibility of Evolution! Denying the facts is just a form of deceit. Calling Evolution true', just because you cannot accept the obvious alternative " Creation " is nothing more than religious ! You endless debate a Pseudoscience on faith ! Prove it ! Show Something other than assumptions and opinions ! No matter how many eons and processes you add you still cannot show one bite of research that can justify your faith in a lie http://www.insectman.us/evolution-is-a-lie/index.htm (Edited by Blackshoes) Blackshoes: False Accusations are also a tool of Ignorance and a Lack luster intellect . Note the Source: The Accusation stem from a Man or women (srbiddy09 ) asking for pictures of a Mans Loins (Edited by Blackshoes) srbiddy09: Blackshoes: Poor spelling and random capitalization are also signs of an inferior intellect. For future reference, the correct spelling of the word used in your post is "lackluster," not "Lack luster." Also, "Ignorance" should have been written with a lower case "i." Also, I am not interested in seeing pictures of your "loins," I only want to see your dick. Have a Happy Labor Day!!! srbiddy09: "In Watermelon Sugar the deeds were done and done again as my life is done in watermelon sugar." | Science Chat Room 2 People Chatting Similar Conversations |