Evolution is a Bad Idea

freescientist
freescientist: I've been looking into this so called 'science'. I can find absolutely nothing of value whatsoever in it.

How can a lump of slime turn into a monkey and then humans, all on its own.

I'm laughing!!
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Do you believe a micro-organism can adapt to anti-biotics?
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freescientist
freescientist: It doesn't evolve.

You start with a virus and after it builds up an immunity, what do you have left-a virus!

No experiment has or will ever change a virus into a bacteria. They are wholly different entities.
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flashie
flashie: yeast hasnt evolved much for a few million years either...
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: I never said Virus or Bateria(erm....wait....anti-biotics only affects bateria, right? Whatever- bacteria and virus's were never my point). And, honestly, we don't know where virus's really came from(virus's don't fossilize, so theres no record). Or Bacteria. We can speculate and study on WHEN they arrived- and they certainly were amoung the first multi-cellular organisms, but to say that these micro-cellular organisms will never form from one another ignores their simular ancesstors. Modern Virus's did not come from Bacteria, nor did Modern Bacteria came from Virus's- they have a simular ancesstor, but we're talking billions of years apart in evolution

Now with that out of the way, the next question, following what I believe you were implying with your post- a small number of these hypothetical multi-celluar organisms survive the assualt and adapts into the -a micro-organism. This organism ( -a ) is then exposed to a DIFFERENT kind of danger- lets say extreme heat- and a few still survive because they adapted, while on the other side of the ocean, they are not exposed to this heat. This makes -b micro organism, and -a micro organism.

This process continues during every extinction event, as lifeforms becomes more and complex

Isn't that the simpliest form of evolution? Small changes over Millions and Billions of years and Trillions and Googlplex of generations, to help them adapt and survive?

Another question you need to consider- why is life more complex in later years than prior years?

>>>No experiment has or will ever change a virus into a bacteria. They are wholly different entities.

Well, considering Life has been around for about 3-4 billions years, and it took reported billions years to go from single celled organism to a multi-celluar organism, its entirely likely that that would be the case. Evolution is not common- but the length of time is quite boogling

Imagine a 12-hour clock as an analogy for the history of life on this planet- So at 00:00:00 the first lifeform appears- 2 hours, 31 minutes, and 35 seconds (2:31:35) in, Photosynthesis begins(origin of plants). Eukaryotic cells just start developing at 5:22:06, Multicelluar life begins appearing at 8:12:38, the Cambrian Explosion appearing at 10:15:47, first possible animal footprints appear on land at 10:19:35. Plants move onto land at exactly 10:30, and by 10:57:28, the Carboniferous period(swamps, insects, amphibians and the early forming of repitiles). At 11:12:22, the Earths largest extinction event, the Permian/Triassic extinction event occurs, whipping out animals and leaving a void filled by early dinosaurs. By 11:35:22, flowering plants appear, and twelve minutes and thirteen seconds later at, 11:47:35 the Chicxulub impact and K/T extinction event occurs, the latter killing off the dinosaurs. Six minutes and 44 second to midnight, grass begins to appear at 11:53:22. 3 minutes and 48 seconds later, the great apes appear. At 11:58:40, the last common ancesstor between man and ape finally dies out, making way for homids who understand fire at 17 seconds to midnight. H&^x Sapians(us) appear 1 second to midnight, and at 11:59:59.96, the first agriculture occurs
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: 00:00:00 - Life on Earth begins.
00:56:51 - Last universal ancestor of all life.
02:31:35 - Photosynthesis begins.
05:22:06 - Eukaryotic cells develop.
08:12:38 - Multicellular life develops.
10:15:47 - Cambrian Explosion.
10:19:35 - First possible animal footprints on land.
10:30:00 - Plants move onto land.
10:57:28 - Carboniferous period. Widespread swamps with plants, amphibians and insects. Reptiles are just starting to develop.
11:12:22 - Permian/Triassic extinction event (largest known extinction event in the Earth's history). Dinosaurs begin to evolve.
11:35:22 - Flowering plants develop.
11:47:35 - Chicxulub impact and K/T extinction event.
11:53:22 - Grasses develop.
11:57:10 - Great apes develop.
11:58:40 - Last common ancestor between humans and chimpanzees.
11:59:43 - Early humans begin to use fire.
11:59:58 - Hxz# sapiens develops.
11:59:59.79 - Nanderthals die out.
11:59:59.96 - First agriculture.

This calculation assumed Life on Earth first occured 3.8 billion years ago- feel free to correct the math. This clock runs approximately 2,775,972,000,000 times(2.77 trillion) slower than normal.

When given the time.....yea, it might be hard to re-create.

But if you have a theory as to why we have so many micro-organisms in our distance past, I'm open to hearing it.

Source, since I'm not a mathmagician;

http://in.answers.y****.com/question/index?qid=*******9154314AARAzji

EDIT: God damn fxwy%w* censor. Google it I guess. Its a Y**** Answers website
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duncan123
duncan123: what do you mean?

are you low because of how you earn your living?

is there something playing on your mind?

is this another attempt to disturb people with a stupid question?

have you met a terrible new life form while out burgling?
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Huh? Who are your responding to?
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duncan123
duncan123: Have you Lipton seen any new or strange life forms while out and about?
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Of course, but I'm not very educated on the local life. For example, I cannot name any local snakes besides gardener snakes.

Also, evolution should not happen within a single lifespan. So the fact that no new animals have evolved from 1985 to 2011 ain't all that special.....
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Wait- does SARS and Mad Cow Disease count?
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties: I'm guessing ... just a guess, mind you ... guessing that "freescientist" is a Christian.
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duncan123
duncan123: oh - I see, you and stuck are talking about the time when "someone" lied about their iq and wrote a fake evolution time scale for childrens books and was gun hated by Randy and his brothers and the christian "fundys" and the schools and everyone.
You said all this about that time when you were in jail and brought yourself some attention then.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Seriously, I'm only understanding like every other post made by duncan.....

What are you talking about?
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duncan123
duncan123: your prison governer said it was an exscape attempt.
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Comrade_
Comrade_: Freescience, to make a point you need to be less vague and atleast backup your argument without sarcasm...
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freescientist
freescientist: Can't see how someone can say one species changes into another when there is no evidence for this. You can put some side by side and say they do-but do they? Hmmmm.....?

All fossils are distinct species only showing variation within species. That's all we've ever had.
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties: freescientist, are you a Christian?
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flashie
flashie: more importantly, is he right?
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Of course they are. Its impossible for something to be one thing, and yet another thing else entirely.

But there are sutble differences that presents the question; why do these two species, separated by millions of years, hold such great simularities? Why is the more recent version more complex?

Again, you're refusing to answer why, or even acknowledge these questions exist. You're just getting in a huff and announcing that we're wrong because you refuse to conceive it.
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duncan123
duncan123: why should n,t people change?

i ve seen human"oids" , ie changed humans.

they did n't change overnight but there are major differences between
humans you and me and them.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: You see, in order to understand the exact differences, and significance of these differences, it requires a large ammount of very unsexy study of the human anatomy, in comparison to the kind we find in these fossils. Nonetheless, I will choose one of the most common and famous kind of homid- the Neanderthals.

* Cranial
o Suprainiac fossa, a groove above the inion
o Occipital bun, a protuberance of the occipital bone, which looks like a hair knot
o Projecting mid-face
o Low, flat, elongated skull
o A flat basicranium
o Supraorbital torus, a prominent, trabecular (spongy) brow ridge
o 1,200–1,900 cm3 (73–116 cu in) skull capacity
o Lack of a protruding chin (mental protuberance; although later specimens possess a slight protuberance)
o Crest on the mastoid process behind the ear opening
o No groove on canine teeth
o A retromolar space posterior to the third molar
o Bony projections on the sides of the nasal opening, projecting nose
o Distinctive shape of the bony labyrinth in the ear
o Larger mental foramen in mandible for facial blood supply
* Sub-cranial
o Considerably more robust, stronger build
o Long collar bones, wider shoulders
o Barrel-shaped rib cage
o Short, bowed shoulder blades
o Larger round finger tips
o Large kneecaps
o Thick, bowed shaft of the thigh bones, bowed femur
o Short shinbones and calf bones, longer torso and proportionally shorter legs
o Long, gracile pelvic pubis (superior pubic ramus)


While some of these traits may be found in modern humans, certainly not all of them. Remembering that nearly 50 of these fossils have been found, its pretty clear its its own species.
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duncan123
duncan123: you ve lost ur plot!
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties: No, flashie. He's absolutely incorrect. Not only is he incorrect, he's incorrect in a manner that reflects abject ignorance in the subject, and ignorance of science (despite his username) in general.
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StuckInTheSixties
StuckInTheSixties: freescientist, are you a Christian?
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Pity this topic died. I was interested in seeing WHY people would doubt Evolution....(bump)
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