Evolution is a Bad Idea (Page 4)

Blackshoes
Blackshoes:
Man simohayha625: I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried

Introduction to Paleontology

Study of earth history based on fossils

A study of fossil remains indicates that life forms on earth "have evolved from relatively simple to complex hierarchies of plants and animals"


Used by Darwin (and others) in the formation of the theory of evolution

Fossils have proven to be exciting throughout recorded history (and pre-history)


Their true meaning, however, hasn't always been recognized


Avicenna (980-1037) - a disciple of Aristotle: they grow within the rocks and resemble bones and plants only by chance

Dogma of the middle ages: They were created by Satan to confuse us

William Smith (1769-1839) - English canal builder


Spent 24 years mapping canal routes and observing the rocks

First established the relationship between stratified rocks and the fossils they contain

He published the first geological map in 1815

Failed to recognize the evolutionary significance of the fossils


To him they were essentially just distinctive shapes which allowed him to assign relative orders to the rock units in the area

Fossilization


Several different processes:


Unaltered hard (or soft) parts - pretty rare


Preservation: Rancho la Brea Tar Pits


Amber - like in Jurassic Park

Desiccation - mummies

Frozen - mammoths

Altered hard parts - Your basic fossil


Replacement: usually by calcium or silica

Molds and casts: filled with silt

Trace fossils: tracks, burrows, etc.


Coprolites: fossilized dung

Classification: obviously different creatures so they need different names


Same basic idea as system used in biology


Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species, Individual

Used as the basis for the divisions of the relative time scale


Therefore pretty important to geologists

*Unfortunately, very spotty record with lots of holes!!


Lots of different species have lived and died on earth throughout geologic history

We're not going to go into great detail, but a few obvious examples include:


Dinosaurs (w/ Jurassic Park film clip?)

Ammonites (key to videodisc)

Trilobites (w/ samples)

Banded Iron Formation


*Hmm (*Unfortunately, very spotty record with lots of holes!! )
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Zereous Excentris
Zereous Excentris: Well if evelution did exist.. how does god explain it to a bunch of dark age idiots when we cant even factor it with science now.. they keep idioticly trying to use science as a hammer to beat his fact of his aistince.. Everything is for the greater glory.. are we not made of dirt.. how are we not dirt and water at this point.. plants absorb that.. Animals eat it then eachother.. we are dirt and water.. reformulated peaces.. I would suspect this goo is orginizems in a mass.. and they keep getting bigger and they latch onto each other as groups and then mold together.. or something but who knows.. could have just been orginizems becoming more complex and macro over ages of time.. and to be honest.. monkeys and humans could have existed before the ice age.. notice we have some history of the ice age? what did humanity start right after.. nope! Not everything got owned by the ice age.. and over time our planet diverse up in a hurry.. it was even diversifying through the ice age because of the creatures adapting to the ice age.. just because there is an ice age does not put lifes track on ice! it will slide right through that and keep moving forword.. dont be supprised if we evolved because of the ice age.. monkeys started using fur.. we adapted and became this because we lost our fur pelt because of some infection or something that attacked the pours or whatever happened!
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: You couldn't be more wrong! Zereous Excentris Science and the fossil record only shows Adaptational changes .Not one Tran species whatsoever .You like so many take what is the present assumption and conclusion that are taught as true ?
The facts and evidence do not show Evolution as good Science !
They Razzal Dazzle the public into believing a theory that not based in facts !
Evolution is just a religious belief .
Abiogenesis is Impossible .Almost everything within Microbiology denies Tran species development. The Fossil record only reinforces Creation !
Unless you accept Illustration and assumption?

You also forget that many of the same species present today where present with almost no change (for according to the presently assumed time line millions of years ? ) were present 65 million years ago !

Mutations (1 of 2)

Mutation is a change in DNA, the hereditary material of life. An organism’s DNA affects how it looks, how it behaves, and its physiology—all aspects of its life. So a change in an organism’s DNA can cause changes in all aspects of its life.

Mutations are random.
Mutations can be beneficial, neutral, or harmful for the organism, but mutations do not “try” to supply what the organism “needs.” In this respect, mutations are random—whether a particular mutation happens or not is unrelated to how useful that mutation would be.

Not all mutations matter to evolution.
Since all cells in our body contain DNA, there are lots of places for mutations to occur; however, not all mutations matter for evolution. Somatic mutations occur in non-reproductive cells and won’t be passed onto offspring.

For example, the golden color on half of this Red Delicious apple was caused by a somatic mutation. The seeds of this apple do not carry the mutation.
The only mutations that matter to large-scale evolution are those that can be passed on to offspring. These occur in reproductive cells like eggs and sperm and are called germ line mutations.

A single germ line mutation can have a range of effects:
1.No change occurs in phenotype.
Some mutations don't have any noticeable effect on the phenotype of an organism. This can happen in many situations: perhaps the mutation occurs in a stretch of DNA with no function, or perhaps the mutation occurs in a protein-coding region, but ends up not affecting the amino acid sequence of the protein.


2.Small change occurs in phenotype.

Cat with curled-ear mutation

A single mutation caused this cat’s ears to curl backwards slightly.


3.Big change occurs in phenotype.
Some really important phenotypic changes, like DDT resistance in insects are sometimes caused by single mutations1. A single mutation can also have strong negative effects for the organism. Mutations that cause the death of an organism are called lethals—and it doesn't get more negative than that.

There are some sorts of changes that a single mutation, or even a lot of mutations, could not cause. Neither mutations nor wishful thinking will make pigs have wings; only pop culture could have created Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles—mutations could not have done it. )

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Geoff 
Geoff: Sufficient mutations over enough generations could, in theory, result in a terrapin evolving to the point of being a bidepal sapient creature capable of learning ninjutsu.

After all, the same happened to a small shrew like mammal living in the dim and distant past.
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Zereous Excentris
Zereous Excentris: it does not really matter..
why is there breeds of dogs and more being produced..
there comes a point when you max out.. there none fosolized because it happened in an instant at a particular time! and in specific locations.. theres no control.. say the whole earth being fossilized to study them all..

so we would need to see 100% of the population of them fossilized over years..
instead of what we luckily have at the instant we got them ware they happened to fossilize..
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: Geoff "After all, the same happened to a small shrew like mammal living in the dim and distant past."
Is this just another assumption or is it a fact ? Please show a reference ?
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: The over breeding of dogs is a prefect example of how evolution doesn't work ! Dogs that have been breed for special purposes ',they're breeding has caused a great deal of physical problems and aliments ! Such a s great Danes
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Geoff 
Geoff: Evolution is wasteful - the vast majority of species that have existed have gone extinct.

But then, every life that has started is doomed to end.
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: "Now we see how the astronomical evidence supports the Biblical view of the origin of the world. The details differ, but the essential elements in the astronomical and Biblical accounts of Genesis are the same: the chain of events leading to man commenced suddenly and sharply at a definite moment in time, in a flash of light and energy."


"There is a strange ring of feeling and emotion in these reactions [of scientists to evidence that the universe had a sudden beginning]. They come from the heart whereas you would expect the judgments to come from the brain. Why? I think part of the answer is that scientists cannot bear the thought of a natural phenomenon which cannot be explained, even with unlimited time and money. There is a kind of religion in science; it is the religion of a person who believes there is order and harmony in the Universe. Every event can be explained in a rational way as the product of some previous event; every effect must have its cause, there is no First Cause. … This religious faith of the scientist is violated by the discovery that the world had a beginning under conditions in which the known laws of physics are not valid, and as a product of forces or circumstances we cannot discover. When that happens, the scientist has lost control. If he really examined the implications, he would be traumatized."


"Consider the enormity of the problem. Science has proved that the universe exploded into being at a certain moment. It asks: What cause produced this effect? Who or what put the matter or energy into the universe? And science cannot answer these questions, because, according to the astronomers, in the first moments of its existence the Universe was compressed to an extraordinary degree, and consumed by the heat of a fire beyond human imagination. The shock of that instant must have destroyed every particle of evidence that could have yielded a clue to the cause of the great explosion."


"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."


Scientists have no proof that life was not the result of an act of creation, but they are driven by the nature of their profession to seek explanations for the origin of life that lie within the boundaries of natural law.

— Robert Jastrow, The Enchanted Loom: Mind in the Universe, (1981), p. 19.
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Kaninchen
Kaninchen: It's pretty much a total waste of time debating with someone who rejects evolution without trying to understand it - this generally means that the idea is a threat to a deeply held but unsubstantiated belief, usually religion. To restate that: when someone has their head up their ass, they can't hear anything.
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: Typical all the most of the children that accept Evolution .They also assume that those that know better either cannot nor do understand it .
If they that Claim that Evolution fact ', were as intelligent or Knowledgeable about it 'they would be able to prove they're Evolutionary theory !

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Blackshoes
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Geoff 
Geoff: Blackshoes, you don't understand it.

Anyone who could actually prove evolution as false who knew what they were talking about would be in line for the Nobel prize.
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: I UNDERSTAND what's going on !Geoff
You cannot prove Evolution Nor Creation ". Proof is subject to the judgment of the observer of the evidence ! Madame Curry received the Nobel Prize for Radium . Just look how that turned out . and Radium is real ".If She tried to show radium existed without Radium ? She'd had been laughed out of a HS science room !You cannot claim something as a fact', just because you have faith ,That's Religion not Science !
If you claim something as a fact within Science ', You need show it to be a fact by the evidence Presented

The Evidence Other than Adaptation Isn't there ! Making assumptions and conclusion that Evolution is a fact ?Just because they claim Adaptational changes species into another species over time ?
Doesn't make it so . There would need to be Fossil DNA and genetic evidence ! Past and present ',So all you have is assumptions and illustrations of the faithful that accept Evolution. Making claims that they're more intelligent than those that don't agree with they're BS ',Faith ,assumptions, conclusions and illustration doesn't prove they're false and ridiculous theories !,
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generation_X
generation_X: If you look at the means which prove evolution, objectively, without any bias, it is an obvious fact. Going to take humans another 200 years before it is fully accepted. The evidence is there. It should be as obvious as the Earth going around the sun.
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: It's Obvious only if you have Blinders on Not one trans species has accrued within the last 80 years .With all the Species there would be evidence of new species !
Not to mention within the fossil record ,all the Genetic roadblocks , and the impossibility of Abiogenesis !
Mountains of research ,money, time , Wishful thinking has not been able to prove this theory If anything, it's only shown how much faith is involved in Evolution ?

No matter how much time you add to a failed theory it's still false .
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sleestak
sleestak: Theory of gravity. Theory of electromagnetism. Read up on the definition of scientific theory. Most confused term in science.
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new_tauresa
new_tauresa: Why are religious people so scared to use the brain gid gave them to dind the secret of life? Maybe fot created us and gave us a think8ng brain so we solve the puzzle he has left for us to solve...using science ...maybe all future discoveries will lead back to god! We will never know if we dont look.
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: So true . The problem is that the Evolutionist don't bother understanding that ' they're so called science isn't, based in evidence ,and facts'. Making evolution one of the most deceitful Religious beliefs around

They adhere to those that twist and manipulate the ignorance or faith of the folks that have never bother to look at the facts with a open mind .Following the same old BS assumptions, and conclusions that is spewed unto them as if they're more intelligent than the ones that have looked at the evidence ',without swallowing the crap', that's feed to them masquerading as Science !

Evolution Is Not a proven fact !
Evolution Is theory !
Evolution is only supported by more theories !
Evolution is only assumed and based in conclusion!
In other words a Religious belief !!!
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: sleestak Your comment is Inferring that Myself or anyone that doesn't agree with Evolution
Is somehow ignorant of Sciences that have nothing to do with the THEORY of evolution .
Playing on the false concept that no intelligent being can reject the assumptions, and Conclusions made by Evolutionist !
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Geoff 
Geoff:

After all this time, you still don't understand why it is called a theory, or even what a theory is. You reject it because your religious indoctrination won't let you accept anything that questions your narrow view of your god.

And frankly, you don't agree with it because you don't understand it. Your repeated use of the word theory in a context that amply demonstrates you haven't a clue what you're talking about proves that as amply as your physiognomy and genetics prove evolution by natural selection.
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new_tauresa
new_tauresa: i was not drunk in my post earlier, i hate my touch phone screen
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lori100
lori100: 'you don't understand it' ...the mantra of science fundamentalists...
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calybonos
calybonos: No need to defend yourself, tauresa.

Who amongst us hasn't woken up in bed with a strange phone lying next to us after a long night of drinking, only to realize that things went far beyond the touching phase?

I blame the technological revolution evolution.

It's making us all it's bitch.
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: Geoff I Understand what a theory Is . Calling me another form of ignorant doesn't change all the false claims that Evolution makes !You make believe as many do that Evolution is a Science Fact ! Semantic will never change that is not a fact nor likely even possible !

Adapatational change is a Fact !
Evolutionism combines Adaptational change with time so as to make they're case,
without any evidence that there's any relationship what so ever!

Evolutionist always claim it's religious dogma that's causes the difference between the theories !
When it's the evidence ,facts, and science that causes evolution to fail !

"And frankly, you don't agree with it because you don't understand it. Your repeated use of the word theory in a context that amply demonstrates you haven't a clue what you're talking about proves that as amply as your physiognomy and genetics prove evolution by natural selection. "

No facts !No evidence ,No science ,No DNA, No Microbiology or fossils supports Evolution Tran species development in the last 90 years
What you're claiming and cannot understand is that adapatational change is not evolution !
This is how ;So called pseudo Science has be able to deceive you and much of the majority of the western world
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