Do you believe in Aliens? (Page 5) (Post deleted by One Bar )  LiptonCambell: >>>You might be dead when they find something. I might die too. We have to be patient and let our grandchildren have the honor to become witnesses. That's handy. But how do we determine fact TODAY? Like most people on this thread, you're preoccupied with what future generations will believe and future generations will think of us. Personally, I don't care- I'm not going to wait 6 weeks, or 6 months, or 6 years, or 60 years, or 600 years, or 6000 years to form an opinion on something- I'm going to form my opinion on the facts that WE HAVE NOW. If the facts are found faulty in the future, then I was joyously change my opinion. Frankly, alien life sounds bitchin'- but I don't think something is true just cause I like the idea of it..... >>>Still haven't seen any 'proof' that there is NO life in other solar systems. All of our research into other solar systems, as well as every planet in our own, save Earth, is proof that there is no life in other solar systems. Could they be out there? Maybe. But possibility does not make fact- and the fact is, every planet we've ever looked at have been incredibly hostile to every form of life. (Post deleted by One Bar )  hellbhoy: True there Lipton other planets are hostile to us humans but there is bacterial life on earth that could in all honesty survive on other planets even in what we deem unlivable to us.Bacterial life in conditions that are so toxic we would just die in seconds but there they are thriving in it and I mean extreme conditions of all sorts. There is a plan in motion to colonate Mars at some point if possible by introducing microbial bacteria and spores of either fungus or algae that will be be able to multiply generating an atmosphere eventually that is just about livable to human beings.SOOOOO if we introduce life on Mars and then it multiplies and evolves into life that does not happen on earth ? do we then call it an alien life form because there is nowt like it on earth ?.  StuckInTheSixties: hellbhoy says: "Well SITS did I piss you off" Nah. (laughs) You amuse me. hellbhoy says: "You ask for proof on my posting "It's just plain common sense that life could occur anywhere any any given point of the conditions are right" ?.And you say I have no common sense." I've asked you for proof for just for certain SPECIFIC things, certain farfetched claims you've made. hellbhoy says: "Alien life form ! an organism living on another planet intelligent or not.The fact you ask for proof of is idiotic and the fact you will not concede to the IDEA it could exist is daft." Can't you read? I've never disputed " the IDEA [alien life] could exist." I've simply maintained that there's no proof of that. hellbhoy says: "If there was life on another planet that was a basic simple life form IS A FACT there must or could be and not the case there is not."  What a masterful mangling of the English language. That was incomprehensible. Try again, please.hellbhoy says: "So my answer must be YES I believe there is because there is life on earth that there is in all possibility that there another life form in the universe regardless of proof of." Despite more language mangling, I understood that one. Okay. You're willing to believe in things for which there is no proof. I find that irrational.
hellbhoy: Master this SITS then,I said yes I do believe there is the possibility of life on another planet and not the other way round that there is not or ever will be. I never did say there actually was. For me it is the possibility there could be so does not require a definitive answer for me or proof.  Azimuth_Predator: Why do people fight about facts and chances. The less distance we cover the less facts we have right? as for Lipton cambell he says..(damn i am acting like SITS now lol) All of our research into other solar systems, as well as every planet in our own, save Earth, is proof that there is no life in other solar systems. Could they be out there? Maybe. But possibility does not make fact- and the fact is, "every planet we've ever looked at have been incredibly hostile to every form of life" Are you sure of this? Cause i have this slight idea that you don't know anything about life creation. You think only about photosynthesis i am sure. As for research we have done nothing extreme yet. Stop being a baby and just wait for crying out loud. The good searches will commence soon. Stop complaining about no facts! no facts! nie nie nieeeeeeee! Scientists are trying hard and they gave me a good reason why i should believe that the possibilities are high and its only a matter of time until your sorry couch sitting ass thats doing nothing what so ever will get his evidence.  Aura: Can we define proof for a second? because math has been used to proof a number of things before we could provide proof one of our senses can observe. Yet technically, this math proof is still theoretical. So is that, or is that not proof? Aura: "All of our research into other solar systems" Please please please give me a link. All I have found is 'we calculated this many planets around star X, with this mass' or 'we observed a dust cloud around star Y, possibly left overs of planet forming' Again, the proof is math, we calculated the existence of those planets. Is that proof or not? And we deduced dust could mean young planets, also is this proof? And if we can't even proof said planets with something like a telescope so we can actually see, how do you conclude those planets are hostile to life? Azimuth_Predator: Thank you very much? lol No fuck you Zen! We want proof! Bring us some Alien testicles and then we might start thinking about possibilities! Your math and calculations for chances are evil! booooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! We want facts! lol This is what the others sound like to me... Azimuth_Predator: So that means its a fake alien. Cause all aliens must have balls. Where is your proof? We shall know when we have searched all the planets. Until then your math(evil) is not going to convince us! Booooooooooo! We shall wait on our couches and eat pop corn until you get us some facts! I demand facts Zen! Now go and search all 400 billion planets! You have a few days to make me happy. I deserve results cause i am busting my ass making pop corn and criticizing Scientists that come up with mathematical and physical theories. GET TO WORK! lol (Edited by Azimuth_Predator) StuckInTheSixties: Hellboy, if you're changing your position from ... "I believe there is [extra-terrestrial life] because there is life on earth" ... to ... "I do believe there is the possibility of life on another planet" ... then that's a good thing. StuckInTheSixties: Azimuth_Predator says: "Stop complaining about no facts! no facts!" This revealing statement sums up his way of thinking perfectly. He's not interested in "facts." He's made his determinations about how the universe is, and he's done that without facts. And if those facts stand in the way of his non-factual determinations, DAMN the facts.  xapim: has any body seen the canadian lego figure get attacked by the aliens, theres this video of legoman gets placed in space with a video and just when you think your gonna see a alien form creature like wind noises....the camra blacks out ? a fun project college students had experimented with..... hellbhoy: SITS ! what the hell man SEMANTICS DUDE you keep trying slip me up. Hellboy, if you're changing your position from ... "I believe there is [extra-terrestrial life] because there is life on earth" ... to ... "I do believe there is the possibility of life on another planet" ... then that's a good thing. Let me cut and paste what you cut n pasted properly in order !. "I do believe there is the possibility of life on another planet because there is life on earth". A real plausible answer,it's like saying no 2 TV's are the same from the conveyor belt even though they are the same model because there are minor differences between them all but they still work in the same way within operational parametres if your clever enough to work that out. My final answer on that subject. StuckInTheSixties: Adam, here's how to post it: ~ Go to youtube.com ~ Just to the left of the little YouTube icon, in the box where you'll see a blinking cursor, where you can type stuff, type: "legoman in space." Then tap your "Enter" key. ~ You'll see about half a dozen different choices for the video. Click them to examine them to see which is the one you're talking about. ~ While that video is playing, copy the link showing in the "Address bar" (or whatever that thing is called) at the top of your browser. ~ Paste the link into a post here in this thread. It'll look like text when you paste it in here, but when you click the blue "Post" button, it'll turn into the little videos you're used to seeing here in Wireclub. I'd just do it for you, but I'm not sure which of those videos is the one you're referring to. StuckInTheSixties: hellboy, you appear to be simply changing your position, and then pretending that you haven't done changed your position. Throughout this thread, you've been making it plain and clear that you think that there is a great probability that life exists other than here on Earth, and that you consider it unreasonable to have a viewpoint that differs from that. Now you're pulling back from that stance, and suddenly declaring that you only think that there is a possibility of life elsewhere. There's a huge philosophical gap between those two positions. Proof is needed to support your first position (proof which doesn't exist). Proof is not needed to support your second position. On page 4, you criticized me for taking the "agnostic" position on this issue, the position that there simply is no indication one way or the other. You criticized my unwillingness to commit myself to a "yes" or "no" in the issue of extra-terrestrial life. Suddenly, you're adopting that position, and pretending that you had that position all along. Readers can judge for themselves about the copying, cutting and pasting going on here. I merely took your words from page 4 of this thread, and compared them to your words on page 5, putting them side by side for examination. You took your words, and CHANGED them into OTHER words with a different meaning. Perhaps you're simply having difficulty conveying your thoughts into coherent words. There are indications of this in the manner in which you repeatedly mangle the English language, often making your posts challenging to decipher. What's the reader to do? Are we supposed to read your words, and somehow know that you didn't really MEAN that, but rather, you MEANT something else? All the reader can do is to judge by the words we see on the page. But I don't think that's the case. I think you're just being disingenuous, and that upon arrival to page 5 of this thread, trying to convince the readers (maybe yourself) that you held this new position from the beginning. hellbhoy: "I do believe there is the possibility of life on another planet because there is life on earth". There ya go go SITS that won't change ever. hellbhoy: SITS if you read my posts the all say to some degree "I do believe there is the possibility of life on another planet because there is life on earth". | Science Chat Room 5 People Chatting Similar Conversations |