Theory of relativity

beanalbert: What is yours understanding in this topic.

Illuminatist: Darwin was a Liar.

beanalbert: In context to relativity, to analyse write and wrong will also be relative to this point of result of this time may be relative to another point of time in future.

Illuminatist: Fair enough.....

But F.Y.I. His theory has been PROVEN false.

Illuminatist: If you need evidence for this, see my posts in the topic " Two interesting links - re evolution and Bode's Law".

beanalbert: ok

aon fhocail anseo: I think you both need to look at Darwins theory a little closer.
Evolution is not a theory....It is fact....Whether we Human Beings evolved from the Apes is debatable.....but Darwin didn't "lie"...He just brought facts to the table...and whomever dismisses those facts....is naive and blind.

Illuminatist: A dis-proven fact, I will grant you that....

Illuminatist: But YOU are blind.

aon fhocail anseo: Im not blind...I look at all possible aspects...Ive read Darwins theory and it is almost impossible to dismiss it as just a theory...
There are a few things i don't agree with him about..."Evolution Of Man" for instance.....but...your arrogance is clear...because you think you are right....doesn't make it so.
I don't claim to be right about everything....every debate just throws up more questions.

Illuminatist: Your arrogance is clear.

You utterly FAIL to see the evidence that condemns his THEORY as a farce.

aon fhocail anseo: Really?...What is so farcical about his theory?

Illuminatist: Read this:




http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

aon fhocail anseo: Very interesting points there...it hasn't "sold me" or changed my own opinion....but i do understand more as to why you debunk the evolution theory....You are a individual and you are, of course entitled to your opinion.....I have no desire to bring our little debate to a full blown argument....You are obviously a very smart person...and your opinion does hold some water.

Illuminatist: Thank you, you as well, strike me as a man of intelligence.

I did not come here to argue either, and I only wished to assert my opinion, as to why I believed in my convictions about "Darwinism".

aon fhocail anseo: Your opinion does hold some ground...and it has made me question my own.
That is what debates are for....
Im not convinced completely....but...your opinion has raised more questions....I do believe in God....Darwin tried to dismiss that believe for many people....but he failed....Even though his theories are based on logical facts....I know ...as you do (And many others people too)...that he wasn't completely right about everything....
But i don't think we are "random" either.

Illuminatist: I whole-heartedly believe in the evolution of life; I just do not see eye to eye with Darwin's "version" of how this is accomplished.

There are too many missing links with his version, in my opinion, to hold his complete summation as "the correct one".

aon fhocail anseo: You make a very valid point....there is no denying it.
I never saw his theory as the "be all and end all"....but some of it is very difficult just to throw away....but...i do agree with you there are too many holes in Darwin's theory....but....he is right about some things....can't escape that fact.
I've never believed we evolved from Apes...no one could convince me otherwise...I know that our DNA is very close to Apes....but we all also share 30% DNA with the common Daffodil...so..did we also evolve from a flower?....I highly doubt it.

Illuminatist: Yes, now you see exactly what I mean.

But yes, there are facts that cannot be denied, in his theory. But as a "whole theory", over all, it does not stand as "complete" logical, and a correct theory, in my opinion.

That said, I do keep in mind, that AT THE TIME HE ORIGINALLY CREATED THIS THEORY, it was seen in more of a "factual" context. Now, however, science has, more or less, dis-proven many of his "facts".

Geoff: **facepalm**

Not only is evolution being utterly misunderstood in this thread, but the topic was relativity. Which is something utterly different and sets out some of the basic foundations of our understanding of physics. Whereas evolution is the cyclical process by which generational mutation and the pressures of environment lead to a selection of those most suited to survive.

beanalbert: I have said he in context to relativity ,that is not he ,so i have edited it.

Illuminatist: I apologize, as I mistakenly posted my original post in the wrong thread LMAO!


However, it seemed to lead (ironically or not) to new understandings! lol

Illuminatist: And as far as "evolution being misunderstood", no. Only, apparently by YOU, Geoff.

beanalbert: I do not deny the fact what Darwin said us about evolution..But,the theory that he gave strikes my mind and made me feel there is some rule of nature or there is some equation of nature ,some goes recursively with time Or some are linear or its pattern is unsolved(randomness) .Struggle for existence ,survival of fittest.I am fully convinced about his theory.The randomness of order of evolution of cycle and ecosystem(pattern) within cell level is absolute or relative in context to this(space and time) or another this(space and time) for all bio chemical phenomena may be the challenging part.

Geoff: Illuminatist - You post links to a religiously motivated anti-science website and you accused Darwin of being a liar?

I'm out - I'm not going to bang my head against this particular brick wall. It is impossible to reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.