Can our thoughts kill us? LiptonCambell: Serious question this honest. I have been reading about the medical causes of broken hearts, strokes, heart attacks etc, and I have come to a logical conclusion that thought alone can kill you. I know it's a bum ticker and so and so that is meant to cause these things, but when I read about people who dropped dead from heart attacks, sometimes it was caused from shock and emotion alone. Can we actually think ourselves to death like we do headaches and migrains? And I distinctly remember the book "Walkabout" or something, where the character was convinced he was fatally diseased- and, because of this, he died.....but that was fiction, after all...  lori100: Good threads Lipton Thoughts are energy, we create our existence, health, and events everyday. Some people have terrible diets, don't exercise etc......but they have very positive thoughts and outlooks always and live very long lives. I read an article many years ago that stated a study was done and the number one candidate to develop cancer was an unhappy, frustrated housewife. More heart attacks happen on Mondays than any other day----stress and misery of the start of another work week. Stress, worry are very harmful to the mind and body. LiptonCambell: Lol claiming stress causes unhealthiness is a little different than claiming that existence is created by our thoughts... lori100: Well....you could say that every day we decide to continue living....we don't deliberately kill ourselves.....we choose to continue our life. Healthy living habits, positive thinking and actions support our continued existence. lori100: SETH ON HEALTH from The Individual And Nature of Mass Events.--by Jane Roberts----------- "Unfortunately, many of your public health programs, and commercial statements through the various media, provide you with mass meditations of a most deplorable kind. I refer to those in which the specific symptoms of various diseases are given, in which the individual is further told to examine the body with those symptoms in mind. I also refer to those statements that just as unfortunately specify diseases for which the individual may experience no symptoms of an observable kind, but is cautioned that these disastrous physical events may be happening despite his or her feelings of good health. Here the generalized fears fostered by religious, scientific, and cultural beliefs are often given as blueprints of diseases in which a person can find a specific focus-the individual can say: `Of course, I feel listless, or panicky, or unsafe, since I have suchandsuch a disease.' "The breast cancer suggestions associated with selfexaminations have caused more cancers than any treatments have cured. They involve intense meditation of the body, and adverse imagery that itself affects the bodily cells. Public health announcements about high blood pressure themselves raise the blood pressure of millions of television viewers. "Your current ideas of preventative medicine, therefore, generate the very kind of fear that causes disease. They all undermine the individual's sense of bodily security and increase stress, while offering the body a specific, detailed disease plan. But most of all, they operate to increase the individual sense of alienation from the body, and to promote a sense of powerlessness and duality. Your "medical commercials" are equally diseasepromoting. Many, meaning to offer you relief through a product, instead actually promote the condition through suggestion, thereby generating a need for the product itself." "Examine the literature that you read, the television programs that you watch, and tell yourself to ignore those indications given of the body's weaknesses."  Intolerance: Sure if your thought is "I'm going to drive my car off a cliff", then yes your thought killed you. lori100: Seth by Jane Roberts-------"It is easier for the body to be healthy than ill, and in the terms of this discussion, for example, old age does not basically bring with it any particular diseases or susceptibility. Practically speaking, now, negative beliefs often catch up with the individual, leading to various diseases. I want to emphasize, however, that Framework 2 is not a neutral medium. Negative beliefs have to be inserted there with great repetitiveness before you meet their physical results." LiptonCambell: Got any examples of people getting ill because of bad attitudes? Got any examples of people getting healthy because of good ones? lori100: Me, I feel I made myself sick with lots of negative thoughts and emotions yrs ago, I asked for and received healing. Now I am positive minded. ------------Seth-----------Seth- “Your thoughts have an electromagnetic reality. " lori100: No, I did read about a study several yrs ago that stated the #1 candidate to develop cancer was an unhappy, frustrated housewife. It would probably be different today. -------------------According to the Hermetic philosophers, there were seven primary causes of disease. -----The third was an unhealthy or abnormal mental attitude. Melancholia, morbid emotions, excess of feeling, such as passions, lusts, greeds, and hates, affected the mumia, from which they reacted into the physical body, where they resulted in ulcers, tumors, cancers, fevers, and tuberculosis.--------Manly P. Hall; The Secret Teachings of all Ages (Edited by lori100)  Bourbaki: Your point just goes to show that thought is inseparable from the physical realm in that it affects and is effected by the state of your body. lori100: Just showing some knew 1500 yrs ago what Seth knew in the 1960's, it is still valid today. Science today is just rediscovering what was known thousands of yrs ago.  Zanjan: Yes, your thoughts can kill you.......perhaps not instantly. There was a time when old Chinese, who didn't want to burden their family, would just turn their face to the wall and die. Just like that. Losing the will to live will kill you fairly quickly. Naturopaths and wholistic healers have known for a long time that mental state strongly affects the immune system. Depression, resentment and hatred can all upset the body chemistry and the organs won't take that assault for very long. Worry and fear ages you, physically. I've seen young people's hair go gray almost overnight from shock. Years ago, a family member, who was the most provokin' person I ever knew, used to cause such havoc, the very sight of him would upset me. Whenever he came near me, I'd get serious halitosis. Thinking back on it, I figure that was a subconscious natural defense mechanism - it only worked for a few feet of distance though. Scientifically, there's the placebo effect. My grandmother had a goiter; rather than go to a medical doctor, she went to a faith healer. I could hardly contain myself when she said he spit on her head and the next day her goiter was gone. Yes, I think there's something to subliminal messaging as well. Transendental meditation was big on that, believing you could even change your looks by your thoughts. People with allergies can start to break out if they even THINK an alergen might be around - I've seen them do it just at the mention of the word. I know weather can be changed by thoughts too. It's not that negative thoughts are powerful - it's actually the reverse, they drain power. However, if thoughts had the ability to do what we wanted them to all the time, we'd all be lotto winners. (Edited by Zanjan) Zanjan: That can be a chicken or egg question. When something attacks the body, one becomes uncomfortable because it hurts and causes problems that interfere with normal function. On the other hand, when something attacks the mind, one becomes uncomfortable because it hurts the spirit, causing dysfunctional relationships. Body and mind are tied into a sympathetic relationship while we're on this earth - when something happens to one, the other feels it. This isn't news; in fact, it's ancient knowledge that has stood the test of time but gets put on the back burner due to modern demand for the easy, 'instant fix'. Eventually, we realize the band-aid approach merely covers from view what's going on underneath. (Edited by Zanjan) Zanjan: The Spirit drives everything, body and mind - we know this. Our own spirit strongly affects others around us as well. As it's been said, 'No man is an island'. Positive thinking and self-affirmation makes the sufferer feel better but does it cure? I'm not knocking it - just saying this isn't the do-all psych remedy some report it to be. Dale Carnegie had some good ideas to get started; just know, they aren't what you need to finish it. With positive thinking, I might feel better but the world marches on, demanding accountability. If I'm still sick, I can't lighten anyone else's load...... and that reality doesn't go away. To be healthy, we need to be truly happy and content inside, no matter what happens to us. Living in this happy condition allows you to see a negative thought approaching - it never alights because you tell it to go away and, it obeys you. Easy. Ancients visualized this, calling negative thoughts 'demons'. Fine, whatever works. Society's approach to healing has to change - one type of remedy doesn't replace the other, treatment has to be double-pronged and synchronized with persistence. Once healing is achieved, health has to be maintained constantly by the same equal support. If we're doing it right, this wont be a chore. lori100: seth---by Jane Roberts-----------To be healthy you must believe in health. A good physician is a changer of beliefs. He will replace an idea of illness with one of health. Whatever methods or drugs he uses will not be effective unless this change of belief takes place. Unfortunately, when man became a labeller he also made maps, so to speak, of great complexity, categorizing various diseases with greater effectiveness than ever before. He studied dead tissue to discover the nature of the disease that killed it. Physicians began to think of men as carriers of disease and diseases — which, in certain terms, they [the physicians] did themselves create through some new medical procedures. -------------------The old medicine men often dealt far more directly with the patient himself, and understood the nature of beliefs and the prime importance of suggestion. Many of their techniques were adopted for their psychological shock value, in which the patient was quite effectively "brainwashed" out of the disease he believed that he had. (Edited by lori100)  Ms_Mafdet_The Great: I did some research, but all I have found (so far) is this experiment: http://www.scientificremoteviewing.com/main-menu/if-thoughts-can-kill/ I would say, to be fair/objective, that the answer would be "inconclusive" one way or another.. Ms_Mafdet_The Great: Here we go. Ok. While this is not directly related to the point of the thread, the link I have found IS testament to the power of the brain/mind, in general and how it can affect D.N.A. - A theory that I thought was my very own Regardless, here ye go: http://energyfanatics.com/2013/12/12/scientists-find-evidence-showing-mindfulness-thoughts-induce-specific-molecular-changes-genes/ | Science Chat Room 3 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
