Mini Ice Age? (Page 51)

kittybobo34: Yes, it re freezes each winter, but not quite as far as the year before. Subs in the arctic only have to rise through about 2 ft of ice where as it used to be 7 to 10 feet thick.
Once the ice is gone world wide, there will be no buffer to absorb the excess heat anymore, then things will get lethal.

Sir Loin: Campion, CO2 is not linked to global warming. Well it is but differently to how most people think. Warming temps result in higher levels of CO2 due to melting permafrost releasing CH4. Temp peaks always preceed CO2 peaks by about 850 years as shown in the Greenland ice coring project.

duncan124:

Say what you want. The whole Global Warming thing was bad and now its over.

Extremists might say shoot anyone who claimed a tax rebate due to releasing less gas.

I just just say They are not our Government.

So who is going to do it???

Who is going to be the first to say they have sailed the Arctic Passage straight to the Pacific???

....And the world has changed!

Campion: Duncan asked"Who is going to be the first to say they have sailed the Arctic Passage straight to the Pacific???"

Admunsen was the first in 1906. The voyage took 3 years. It is a routine today and even cruise ships have made the passage.

duncan124:
"The voyage was to the northeasterly direction over the Kara Sea. Amundsen planned to freeze the Maud into the polar ice cap and drift towards the North Pole – as Nansen had done with the Fram – and he did so off Cape Chelyuskin. But, the ice became so thick that the ship was unable to break free, although it was designed for such a journey in heavy ice. In September 1919, the crew got the ship loose from the ice, but it froze again after eleven days somewhere between the New Siberian Islands and Wrangel Island.

During this time, Amundsen suffered a broken arm and was attacked by polar bears.[15] As a result, he participated little in the work outdoors...." Wiki

More recently the Russians used nuclear icebreakers to keep its northern sea lanes open.

The pictures from the National Snow and Ice Data Center revealed that was no ice over a much of the Arctic on the Eastern side... until internet interest appeared and new pictures were obtained showing a very large and sudden increase in the sea ice extent.


I meant sail freely across an ocean as wide as the North Sea until you quickly reach the Pacific Ocean.

It also seems that North America has now inherited the snow and cold discarded by the Arctic Ocean.

I certainly believe that the ice had gone and there is probably still an easy route across to the Pacific.

duncan124:

Three Sunspots are crossing the Suns disk with a total spot count of 35.

Increasing activity, there has only been two days without a sunspot since they restarted, may mean a period of high activity for this Solar cycle.

This seems to be more like a seal on the new changed world rather then a return to anything from the past. I don't think an increase in weather would mean more snow for the Arctic.

kittybobo34: Since sunspots are a reduction in heat energy, can we expect a cooling in the over all atmosphere?

duncan124:
The trend is now for cooling, but the Sunspots show activity on the Sun is increasing so while they might be cooling overall the Sun is increasing its energy out put--in theory.

Remember that finally NASA admitted that the Sun actually dimmed and scientists at UK Universities had predicted that the Suns cycles and rhythms in this cycle will coincide with a reduction of solar energy.

But what will actually happen is your guess as well as mine.

And remember that we were told stories of rises ocean levels causing flooding when the polar caps melt.

Well, the Arctic is down by half and there is no sign of flooding due to rises in seawater.


National snow and Ice Date Centres page showing record open water in the Arctic;-

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

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kittybobo34: I think it amazing that the sun puts out such a steady stream of energy eon after eon. One would think that there would be huge fluctuations with all the matter that falls into the sun.

duncan124:

I think the Sun is allergic to nuclear material, what we on Earth know as radioactive elements, And burns the other sort of atomic reaction.

duncan124:

" Thermosphere Climate Index today: 6.10x1010 W Cold " Spaceweather.

Six is as high as it has been for a while and the rapid increase without set backs seems to coincide with the rapid increase in sunspots.

duncan124:

Severe Weather Europe looks at tonight's mega storm in the Atlantic,

https://www.severe-weather.eu/mcd/bombogenesis-cyclone-iceland-waves-mk/

....and its look at the La Nina and its relationship to the oceans.

https://www.severe-weather.eu/mcd/bombogenesis-cyclone-iceland-waves-mk/

duncan124:

This weeks mega Sunspot;-

https://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=170031


Mega storms and mega sunspots what is the right connection???

duncan124:

Monster lows in the Pacific...,

https://www.severe-weather.eu/global-weather/cyclone-tandem-north-pacific-alaska-mk/

" Spectacular satellite view of triple-tandem surface cyclones in the North Pacific...."

If one of those got through the defrosted Arctic ocean to Europe things would become interesting...

duncan124:

Spaceweather looks at the strange weather over Antarctica

https://spaceweatherarchive.com/2020/12/02/strange-antarctic-weather-extends-to-the-edge-of-space/

Sir Loin: Can't make that link work Duncan

kittybobo34: worked for me

duncan124:

It still works here.

The main feature the late NCLs over the South Pole,---and in fact no NCLs this year so far.

As well as the Ozone Hole, extreme cold and powerful polar vortex.

Seems to me that that the new world is settling for the northern cold or polar cap to be over North America and the south to be stronger. Just as some years ago NASA noticed was happening on Mars.

duncan124:
Todays Spaceweather looks at the endless stream of Sunspots and in particular the fact that nearly all the spots are in the Suns southern hemisphere.

" THE LOPSIDED SOLAR CYCLE: Solar physicists have long known that the two hemispheres of the sun don't always operate in sync. While one hemisphere is active, the other may be utterly quiet;...."Spaceweather