Why are so many anti science? This includes anti GMO, anti vaccine, anti evolution, and believing in woo. (Page 2)
lori100: more govt sanctioned woo.... ----Remote Viewing is a psychic skill originally developed and utilized as an operational intelligence gathering tool for the United States Military and Intelligence services for over 23 years from 1972 – 1995. A January 1979 SECRET progress report from SRI (Stanford Research Institute) to the D.I.A describes Remote Viewing as:
“Remote Viewing (RV) is the acquisition and description, by mental means, of information blocked from ordinary perception by distance or shielding, and generally believed to be secure against such access.”
– SRI quarterly progress report for the DIA – Jan 10, 1979 – H.E. Puthoff, Ingo. Swann, Gary. Langford
lori100: I read of a surgeon that would give patients on the operating table suggestions of where he wanted their heart rate and blood pressure to stay...it worked over and over again...
AretoNyx: When ask you shall receive but really that does not always work this way. Some times it leads to nocebos. ( Rumpology is humorous though ...
Psychology not psychic con artist in play. If using a psychic to find some one kidnapped there is a big chance for harm , and a miss. Has happened where psychics have caused harm or were useless in any info finding others, but really that should not be a surprise.
I suggest looking up James Randi.
lori100: I have....the NSA said he was a fraud...used plants.... ----........--from NSA's Stargate files on Randi----DIA report on the James Randi use of 'plants' in experiments - 1983
"Thus, it is apparent that Mr. Randi has presented an extremely one-sided view of this hoax attempt. He even claims that all parapsychological research is of , questionable value. Most TV and press coverage thus far also reflect these views. As a result, the general public is given highly biased perspectives of this research area in general. This could generate negative reactions toward all parapsychological research, even for those laboratories where controls are tight and where unsolicited subjects are not accepted.
It is clear Mr. Randi is solely interested in promoting his image as a clever magician, and in enhancing his career as a showman, at the expense of reporting accuracy. The use of tactics involving "plants" raises significant ethical issues as well."
AretoNyx: You expect people on either side of opinions to be centrists? I am not sure how you expect testing also to be more that to lean one side or another in results as such scientific testing can provide in repeat experiment.
If cognitive dissonance is what people rather that is not really science , but opinions based in biases likely.
AretoNyx: Are you saying "plants " and shills exist where you know for sure? How would you predict as absolutely sure if so?
lori100: ------------ NSA Stargate remote viewing file -----PSYCHOENERGETICS RESEARCH
DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
DIRECTORATE FOR SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNICAL INTELLIGENCE
7 August 1984 - 2.00MB (pdf file)
Key highlights from the document are:
------- Psychoenergetics has its place somewhere between psychology and the other social sciences. It has not been reduced to mathematics and there is no physical model, but psychoenergetics does have many characteristics that are common to all science.
The first of these characteristics is replication. If an area of endeavor is to be considered a science, experiments must be replicable. When the results obtained in one laboratory cannot be obtained under the same experimental conditions in other laboratories, the work will be neglected and will be considered to fall outside the parameters of science.
The work in psychoenergetics at SRI has been replicated by several laboratories:
~ Remote Viewing (ESP)
- Princeton University, Princeton, NJ
- Institute for Parapsychology, Durham, NC
- Mundelein College, Chicago, IL
- University of California at Davis, CA
~ Remote Action (psychokinesis)
- Princeton University, Princeton, NJ
- Mind Science Foundation, San Antonio, TX
- Maimonides Medical Center, Brooklyn, NY
- Psychophysical Research Laboratory, Princeton, NJ
- Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
- Bell Laboratories, Columbus, OH.
These are all bonafide scientific research and development institutes. In all, there have been 28 formal published replications of the remote viewing work at SRI. Obviously, this phenomenon is not an invention of SRI; it has been duplicated on a number of occasions.
Finally, the ongoing psychoenergetics program at SRI has recently been reviewed by a panel of renowned scientists (see Exhibit 9). Much of what they reported will be covered later in this publication. At this time, we wish to include one quote taken from the publication they prepared regarding their findings on the SRI psychoenergetic research; it bears directly on the question of whether or not psychoenergetics should be considered a science. "The lack of a physical model should not be taken to preclude the existence of the capability to view remote locations."
The CIA was the first organization to fund research. Their program established that:
~ Geographical features can be ascertained with remote viewing.
~ Descriptive aspects of a site are better described than analytical aspects.
~ Operationally-useful information can be obtained.
~ Coordinate and beacon remote viewing can be successful.
~ Standard medical/physiological/psychologicaI screening is not useful.
In 1975, Navelex supported a $74K program which established that physiological correlates to remote viewing exist, but they are weak statistically. From 1976 to 1979, the Air Force supported research that demonstrated;
~ Remote viewing can be used to monitor real-time activities.
~ Accuracy and resolution are not a function of distance.
~ Spatial resolution is accurate down to millimeters.
~ Electrical shielding does not block remote viewing.
MIA was the next organization to enter the research. They supported work that verified that interaction with sensitive electronic equipment can result in significant perturbations from expected behavior.
In AMSAA's program, from 1978 to 1980, it.was proven that site descriptions are of higher quality than location-pinpointing or tracking information.
The DIA was the next agency to contract work in psychoenergetics at SRI. Their program:
~ Developed techniques to increase reliability by minimizing noise
~ Produced operational examples that were of high quality
~ Developed a reliability improvement program.
lori100: Randi used plants...he never proved anything.....and remote viewing was a success and duplicated....still used today...
terryanderson1986: Consider the implication if it was true .... there would be remote view detectives spying on wives and husbands ... company secrets exposed .... in a million ways this would affect us .... it would be in the newspaper all the time ... like hackers that steal secrets .... Israel would not be able to consistently do sneak attacks as they would be known the instant they were planned ... and we would have remote view companies in the fortune 500 .... Most of those government studies tried to make it seem like they had something but you have to lie if you want funding to continue not to mention the cold war also made the Usa feel because russia was studying it .. we also had to ....
lori100: depends how many govt remote viewers were at work...it wouldn't have gone on for decades without results...
AretoNyx: What does that have to do with urine therapy used in eyes, Jilly Juice used as cure all, or rumpology among other psychic methods? Opinions of what humans say scientist or not , and in describing in language however is one thing...but to say psychics are a cure all for things like AIDS is a whole other thing. Just saying.
terryanderson1986: If it exists no matter whether we can see it or predict it or understand the fact that it exists makes it real .... things that are not real do not exist //// so that statement makes no sense ... I'm wondering if that was a reference to quarks ...
lori100: I never said psychics can cure AIDS....self-healing suggestions have worked in fighting cancer ....haven't heard of rump..., jilly juice...but remote viewing works...
AretoNyx: Cure all for cancer is only to self heal how exactly? Do you mean only faith heal and not go to doctor for anything else? Please explain.
lori100: yes..Bohr said it...maybe he meant not real as we believe it is....not solid....all is energy.....
AretoNyx: Quote mining and interpreting is a thing. I would have to see the whole of all said rather than just the part.