A Universe from Nothing is not possible. fieldofforce: The principles of the conservation of energy make it impossible. The principles of the conservation of energy state that energy cannot be created or destroyed. Unless an exception to the principles of conservation of energy are proven there can never be or have been an absolute void of nothingness.  lisa99hunter: Maybe the universe is something that happens from time to time that our universe is just one of many??? Nothingness is a hard thing my mind to fully grasp? Not even empty space. Perhaps it’s just past human intellect?  kittybobo34: personally think that our universe was born out of the collapse of the last one. Satisfying the conservation of energy law.  fh24: Words like 'god' or 'nothing' are meaningless when you try to grasp how nature does things. Take the idea of constant change, causality & the evolutionary potential and ask yourself what you could have possibly consisted of before your parents were even born? You were not nothing - you were part of that amazingly powerful natural potential which also contains the human reproductive system and the evolutionary development capacity of life in all it's forms ... what's really amazing, nature is doing all of this totally free of any gods ... kittybobo34: You could say you existed before as an egg, since the mother is born with all her eggs already made. Sperms on the other hand are recent creations. fh24: A girl becomes fertile the day she starts to menstruate and keeps producing eggs monthly for about 40 years till she reaches menopause - these eggs are not made ahead of time because as soon as one gets fertilized, no more eggs are produced till the pregnancy is concluded ... The point for you to understand is the concept of NATURAL POTENTIAL which exist all around us in many amazing forms. We were all part of it before BOTH of our parents even existed! The natural reproductive system has many forms, is subject to evolutionary developments but is neither divine nor does it call for any man-made gods to have any part in it. Gods are irrational mythological creations of the unenlightened human mind - nature & the real world have absolutely no use for any such gods! kittybobo34: I agree with most of what you said, but look it up, those eggs exist in the ovary from birth, and arent pushed out till its time. all though I do like the Norse Gods, I intend to die with a small sword on hand just in case that's the truth. Valhalla seems like a partying place  (Edited by kittybobo34) fh24: Yes, thanks for making it clearer that girls are born with all their egg cells (oocytes) already provided for. After 16 to 20 weeks of pregnancy, the ovaries of a female fetus contain 6 to 7 million oocytes. Most of the oocytes gradually waste away, leaving about 1 to 2 million present at birth. None develop after birth. Only few actually grow from basic germ cells into ova which are embedded in the substance of the ovaries. About eleven thousand oocytes die every month prior to puberty. I am receptive to the idea of some nice girls to be my goddesses and give them a full body climax on a regular basis to make up for the lost oocytes ... kittybobo34: I think our universe didn't come from nothing, It came from the collapse of the last universe. Law of Thermodynamics, nothing is gained or lost. fh24: All these super smart religious types are still waiting for one of their gods to tell them how much cheese went into making the moon ... lol  bitemykayak: Most cosmologists no longer believe that the universe will collapse, the farther a galaxy is, the greater its red shift, in other words they are speeding away faster and faster. The new thinking is of a multiverse, and that our particular galaxy will expand infinitely and never collapse. fh24: The short time cosmology has been part of astronomy it has become quite obvious that the best ideas & discoveries are not produced by the largest church quires even though they may sound better kittybobo34: bite: Consider the possibility that the universe is accelerating toward already expired galaxies and dense black holes. That would explain the expansion and also give us another crunch when our leading edge meets the dark matter out there. fh24: bite: If kitty has a viable idea for us to put a serious research effort into, it could be the most unique & revolutionary thought among neo-cosmologists, the funding of that advanced research would be more of a admin-political issue ... When you speak of 'most cosmologists', do they not fall into line with prospects of professional advancement, team status & ranking instead of brilliance & originality like you just got from kitty? bitemykayak: Kitty, im not sure that is possible, those expired galaxies and dense black holes are in this universe. a universe cant accelerate towards itself. Its now believed that mostl likelt there will never be a big crunch, kittybobo34: Bite, Keep in mind they only know what they can see, and we can't see past the edge of 13.5 billion light years. If its black matter, we wouldn't see anything at all. I just think that expanding universes may be happening all over the infinity of space, we just can't see it. fh24: Bite, ebr ? Kitty, it's easy enough to imagine, a universe being a macro biological entity of any kind with an unknown life expectancy & of any possible form, just like the diversity of life on this planet - from insect to elephant - in which we, on the other hand, are just being hosted as an ultra-micro biological substance present on some sub-atomic particle trying to understand the meaning of the Periodic Table. Now try correlating these analogies in terms of proportions to our human reality within the frame work of nature .... (Edited by fh24) kittybobo34: Those concepts are not new. But, we have constructed the overall framework of the total universe with computers and time lapse photography. What we get is a universe that looks like a pile of soap bubbles or a giant sponge. Very weird ! fh24: Evidence can be ascertained through objective practical experiments, tests, applied analysis, etc. - theoretical research usually takes a while, if ever, to produce such evidence Should it be limited because of it? If our solar system were an element like Uranium, what would it be? Look at our galaxy, what kind of molecule, could it constitute in a living cell like our cosmos? Same analogy for the whole universe & beyond ... gives the word nature some what different proportions ... How many variations of reproductive systems & processes exist just on planet earth with little, if any, educational focus being put on them so religious ignorance has a better foundation to continue to flourish lol kittybobo34: fh24; That was a bit hard to understand. I am guessing you are comparing the atom to solar systems etc.. it's only a superficial comparison, and the laws governing it all are different so not sure what your point was. fh24: You are absolutely right, the laws are different, the proportions are not at all the same, but it all is within the realm of nature we are trying so hard to understand while nature doesn't care how we go about doing our research or if we even exist as a life form ... | Science Chat Room 4 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
