Why is the climate changing. (Page 202)

kittybobo34: So the tripling of co2 in the air is ok with you. The vanishing glaciers , the warming oceans, the dying coral reefs, all normal. The warmest years ever in the last decade , and that was true for the last two decades. Even though per the Milankovitch cycle we should be descending into the next glacial age.

GeraldtheGnome: Please spare me from the sanctimonious crap, it's misleading, you yourself have been misled about it and now you want to guilt trip me over you imaginary problem. It's very much like religious fanaticism, it's fear mongering paranoia. It is conspiracy theory rubbish, some glaciers are vanishing, some are advancing, some are just as they have been for a while, there are warming oceans and there are oceans that aren't warming oceans, there are coral reefs where the life on them has declined, there are others where the life has increased and others that are neither case is so and there is no such thing as normal. Usually lately I don't refer to what I name North American commas, seriously though it's a silly system since there should not be a comma before the word and.

You keep making one false claim after another, some places have had the warmest years as you claim, others haven't, some have even had the coolest decades too recently. So please don't play games with me. The climate in various places are unpredictable yet you think that people are 'gods and goddesses' in some way and can control the environment, that is a very ignorant and arrogant way to think, you also kind of worship doomsday scientists like they are gods and goddesses. They are the ones not to be for, not the ones to revere. There have been record cold snaps at times, you though make excuses for each and every one of them and falsely claim that it is due to man-made global warming, something of which is not happening.

I'm very disappointed in you, you are very smart in many ways, when it comes to this though and maybe with politics in general then you kind of have an off switch when it comes to proper thinking. The politically correct far left agenda is just as bad to be brainwashed by as is the politically incorrect far right agenda.

ghostgeek: Well, the world might be getting hotter but at the moment it seems part of it is getting a little chilly:

Nearly 100 million people in Canada and the US brace for some of the coldest air on earth, as a record-breaking deep freeze hits North America.

The frigid blast could bring "once-in-a-generation" wind chills that cause frostbite in less than 10 minutes, the National Weather Service has warned.

Residents from Manitoba to Maine are being urged to limit their time outdoors through Friday and Saturday.

At least 11 people have died in the bad weather in the US south since Monday.

There were eight fatalities in Texas, two in Oklahoma and one in Arkansas.

The expected drop in temperatures is attributed to a powerful Arctic front that stretches from the Canadian maritime provinces to the core of the US.

About a dozen records are expected to be broken by Friday afternoon in several US states, where a total of 82 million people will face temperatures of -17 Celsius (0 F) or lower.

In Maine, for example, parts of the state are expecting the lowest temperatures recorded since 1971. In the city of Portland, wind chill is expected to reach -41 F (-40.5 C).

In nearby Burlington, Vermont, Friday's highest temperature is expected to reach just -20 C (-5 F).

Boston, which is anticipating sub-zero wind chills, is currently under a cold emergency. Public schools have been closed in the city, as well as in nearby Worcester.

Temperatures in New York City and other major cities are also expected to bottom out in the single digits Fahrenheit (around -13 C to -17 C) by Saturday, although forecasters predict they will rebound by the end of the weekend.

Parts of Canada are expecting temperatures anywhere between -38 C to - 50 C (-36.4 F to -58 F). An extreme cold advisory issued by Environment Canada on Friday morning has blanketed the Maritimes, most of Quebec and all of Ontario, spilling into Manitoba.

[ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64485092 ]

ghostgeek: "Brrrr!" is all I can say.

kittybobo34: Lucky for Ukraine , they have had a mild winter.

GeraldtheGnome: I worked with a guy that said he travelled to The Ukraine quite a bit, unless he lied to me or guessed what isn’t true then he stated that it can go from minus 40 degrees centigrade there in winter to 40 centigrade in summer. If they they had a mild winter this time around then that is good. The Russians fight the best in Winter and no decent Ukrainian wants them there fighting them ever.

ghostgeek: The Russians fought well in winter in the Second World War but they seem ill-equipped for the cold this time around.

Russian soldiers are facing a new enemy during the country's continued invasion of Ukraine, with reports surfacing that inadequate gear and clothing has led some troops to die from hypothermia.

"This is what happens when you have a fashion designer, such as Valentin Yudashkin develop Russian military uniform," Rebekah Koffler, a former DIA intelligence officer and the author of "Putin’s Playbook: Russia’s Secret Plan to Defeat America," told Fox News Digital.

Koffler's comments come after reports surfaced Sunday indicating that Russian forces have had trouble combating cooling temperatures with gear and clothing ill-suited for winter combat.

[ https://www.foxnews.com/world/russian-military-gear-insufficient-harsh-winters-leads-soldiers-dying-hypothermia ]

ghostgeek: According to Koffler, the problem Russia now faces can be traced back to the military's transition from the Soviet-era, pointing out that Yudashkin actually used to be a designer for former Soviet Leader Mikhail Gorbachev’s wife Raisa Gorbacheva.

"Russian soldiers dying from hyperthermia in winter is nothing new," Koffler said. "Unlike the Soviet Army uniforms that were designed for severe Russian winters, modern Russian military uniform is not optimized for freezing temperatures."

Instead, the 1994 rebranding of the Russian military caused "dismay" among the troops, with designs that "prioritized style and low cost rather than pragmatism and functionality."

"Instead of using natural textiles like cotton, linen, and heavy and coarse wool, synthetic materials were used, which kept the soldiers cold in winter and hot in summer," Koffler said. "Bulky and baggy style was replaced with fitted styles. Traditional Russian footwear made of felt, valenki, which was worn by military and civilians for hundreds of years was banned by the post-Soviet military leadership."

[ https://www.foxnews.com/world/russian-military-gear-insufficient-harsh-winters-leads-soldiers-dying-hypothermia ]

GeraldtheGnome: Great stuff.

wJust_woW: The Secretary-General of the United Nations warned, on Tuesday, of the risk of mass displacement as a result of rising ocean levels due to global warming, calling for "bridging the loopholes" in international law, especially for refugees.

"The risk is acute for the nearly 900 million people who live in low-lying coastal areas - one in ten people on Earth," António Guterres told the Security Council.

"Communities living in low-lying regions and entire countries could disappear forever," he added.

"We will witness mass migration of entire populations, in an unprecedented way," he added.

And while some small island nations inhabited by a small number of people are at risk of disappearing entirely, the impact of rising sea levels and ocean expansion caused by melting ice due to warming is spreading even wider.

Guterres stressed that "whatever the scenario is, countries like Bangladesh, China, India and the Netherlands are all in danger."

"Large cities on all continents will suffer severe impacts, such as Cairo, Lagos, Maputo, Bangkok, Dhaka, Jakarta, Bombay, Shanghai, Copenhagen, London, Los Angeles, New York, Buenos Aires and Santiago," he said.

UN climate experts report that sea levels rose by 15 to 25 centimeters between 1900 and 2018, and are expected to rise by another 43 centimeters by 2100 if global warming is 2 degrees Celsius compared to the pre-industrial era and 84 centimeters if temperatures rise. In the world 3 or 4 degrees Celsius.

The rise in water levels, in addition to the inundation of certain areas, is accompanied by a significant increase in storms and waves that inundate lands. The water and land are polluted with salt, which makes areas uninhabitable even before the waters disturb them.

The UN Secretary-General called for "filling the gaps in existing legal frameworks" at the global level.

He stressed that "this must include the right of refugees," as well as providing solutions for the future of countries that will lose their lands completely.

He also considered that the Security Council has a "fundamental role to play" in "confronting the devastating security challenges posed by the rising water level," which constitutes a contentious issue within the Council.

Russia had used its veto power in 2021 against a resolution establishing a link between climate warming and global security, a decision supported by the majority of Council members.

GeraldtheGnome: The useless point of putting the word and at the front of a sentence again. A story about someone delusional about imaginary rising sea levels and a pretend case of global warming. Fear mongering and doomsday science once again. It’s paranoia and extremely pessimistic.

kittybobo34: 15 to 25 centimeters between 1900 and 2018. Not sure I buy that large an increase. However the last I had heard the rise is now 2 mm per year as measured by satellite. Water expands with heat, so we need a measure of the volume of the ocean to determine what a degree rise will mean in terms of coastal rise.

ghostgeek: Sea level rise is inevitable, so human ingenuity is what will save us.

GeraldtheGnome: Zero percent increase. As for if sea levels will go up or down, it will happen the us should only include everyone alive right now. We might all be dead before the sea level realistically starts to go up or go down. Then again when any of it starts maybe after all Humans die from a virus. The T-virus ? I have no reason to believe that the T-Virus will ever come about. Resident Evil, the computer games and the movies of it, are very cool ! I do suck at the games though unfortunately.

kittybobo34: A T virus , is not so far fetched. Viruses are known to change the genetic pattern in the Chromosomes. Such as that virus in South America that was causing women to bear kids with shrunken heads.

ghostgeek: In our new review paper, we assessed climate theory, proxy data and model simulations, focusing on indicators of global temperature. We carefully considered naturally occurring processes that affect the climate, including long-term variations in Earth’s orbit around the Sun, greenhouse gas concentrations, volcanic eruptions and the strength of the Sun’s heat energy.

We also examined important climate feedbacks, such as vegetation and sea ice changes, that can influence global temperature. For example, there is strong evidence that less Arctic sea ice and more vegetation cover existed during a period around 6,000 years ago than in the 19th century. That would have darkened the Earth’s surface, causing it to absorb more heat.

Our two types of evidence offer different answers regarding the Earth’s temperature trend over the 6,000 years before modern global warming. Natural archives generally show that Earth’s average temperature roughly 6,000 years ago was warmer by about 0.7 C (1.3 F) compared with the 19th century median, and then cooled gradually until the Industrial Revolution. We found that most evidence points to this result.

Meanwhile, climate models generally show a slight warming trend, corresponding to a gradual increase in carbon dioxide as agriculture-based societies developed during the millennia after ice sheets retreated in the Northern Hemisphere.

[ https://theconversation.com/was-earth-already-heating-up-or-did-global-warming-reverse-a-long-term-cooling-trend-197788?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB ]

ghostgeek: In other words, climate models don't necessarily agree with real world data. Yet it's these models, and their predictions, that are driving the current madness over global warming.

kittybobo34: That fits with whats known in the MIlankovitch model. The peak of the last global warmth trend was near the peak of the Roman Empire , and the planet has been cooling ever since, at least until the last 70 years.

ghostgeek: So what would have happened if there had been no Industrial Revolution and hence no addition of CO2 and other greenhouse gases to the atmosphere? Would we have needed fur coats in summer?

kittybobo34: With no industrial revolution, it would have followed the trend so in a century the average temp would have dropped a quarter to half a degree F. Instead the average temp is up a full degree and accelerating.

ghostgeek: So the human race would have been heading towards an Ice Age instead of basking in tolerable warmth? Personally I prefer the way things are now, but no doubt diehard climate activists would disagree with me.

kittybobo34: So you bask in todays mild temps without worrying about what such a temp acceleration could take us. The last time this planet had a run away global warming was in the Permian, and that was called the great dying, very little life managed to survive that, even though the temp climb was much slower than we have now.

kittybobo34: With the Permian extinction excess co2 was dumped into the atmosphere by a series of Siberian volcanoes.

ghostgeek: So you would rather face an Ice Age? A dry and frigid nightmare that we're not equiped to deal with. Well, everyone to their own but personally I hate the cold!

kittybobo34: First of all the ice age was coming at a 1/4 degree per century. The warming is coming at us at 1 degree per 30 years and accelerating.
Secondly I would prefer the temp not change at all, to do that requires that we stop dumping carbon into the atmosphere. There are so many things dependent on a stable environment, the animal life, without which we are toast. The Ocean life that feeds half the planet. Most human facilities are based on the coast lines, especially the oil distribution. Should the ocean levels start rising rapidly we will not be able to deal with the loss of ports. Our very civilization is at stake here.