What do you think about genderfluid people? (Page 19) (Post deleted by Laura Sky ) (Post deleted by Laura Sky ) (Post deleted by Laura Sky )  flappes_flappy_ears: Thanx for the compliment, but this forum is actually for positive comments. I have had some really nasty abusive comments on here who go on about religious rubbish. @Laura you aren't the worst by any means. (Post deleted by Laura Sky ) flappes_flappy_ears: You don't need to. I didn't say religion is rubbish, I just said that people have a tendency to bring religion into this conversation, things like "it's not God's orders" and even one person said i was going to hell. Being trans/nonbinary is nothing to do with God. That's what I mean.  SydneyWombat: you feel like yourself - we all do. the fact that you can construct the idea your moods/emotions into some idea that these are changes in your gender and that they are so pronounced and prominent that they change the way you interact with the world and ALSO require that the world needs to change the way it interacts with you...that's narcissistic. trust me you are not that special or deserving - no one is. lots of people feel and experinece the world the way you do - they just deal with it. The desperate clutching at being "special" is the common element of all Gender non conforming ppl other than the tiny number of people with genuine gender dysphoria and these people need care and compassion. no one is born special the way you want to feel you are, you have to become special by your actions.  MsHaygirl: Sydney, what a dark and pessimistic view the human spirit. I feel like you are saying just shut up and be like everyone else. There is beauty in diversity! Isn't it narcissistic to assume you know what is right for other people? Someone is a little different than you, so what? Live and let live!  Adam Southworth: First, I don't intend to hurt anyone who has real problems. I just have some questions. People have claimed being "transgender" or "gender fluid" is never a psychological condition and we should trust children on this issue. If that were true, why are something like 40% of the children in my country who undergo sexual reassignment surgery autistic? Why do many people who claim to be "transgender", "gender fluid", and the like, regret this decision? Why is it the opinion of people who work at sexual reassignment clinics that this procedure is not suitable for most people who ask for it? Why do people who've worked at these places claim political activism forced thousands of children through it? Facts like these should concern us. We should care about the well-being of children who want a permanent and life-altering procedure, some of whom are around five years old when they get it (the youngest was three). We shouldn't allow political ideology to sterilize children. I was told by a university professor that transgender people commit suicide at a high rate. I have the same question now: How do you know transgender people commit suicide because they've been abused, bullied, or had their identity undermined? This question is not a reason to abuse people. Abuse and mental illness could be the problem. But how do we know the direction of causation? Why do we discount mental illness as the cause of suicide among this group? Couldn't this be a combination of problems? (Edited by Adam Southworth) MsHaygirl: I don't know your country, but I will consider your questions to be well intentioned, at least I hope so. I have extensive experience talking with many transgender people. The great majority of these people I know are down to earth, sane, kind people, who have an aspect to themselves that has caused them extreme pain. To date, there is no definitive answer as to what causes trans people to be trans. It is thought that hormonal influences before birth have a great influence on the brain formation in certain stages, and a mismatch between brain and body develops. There is no blame to be assigned here, it is not caused by the trans person. There a few of my friends who are on the autism spectrum, but it is nowhere near a majority. There were a lot of theories about trans people that have been debunked, but many still seem to like these ideas as an attack on trans people. It is not considered to be a mental illness by the medical community. Sometimes, a person who has been abused, sometimes someone with DID, will believe they are trans when they are not. There is screening with therapists and mental health professionals to prevent a mistake from happening, but it isn't 100 %. Once in a while, someone does regret transitioning. It is sad, but there is certainly no one with an agenda pushing anyone to be trans or transition. That is a crazy idea. As with autism having a spectrum, there is a spectrum for trans people. Some people, like the very young ones you mention, are very decidedly trans and have no ability to pretend to be, in their mind, the 'wrong gender.' Others can hide, stamp it down for many years. Young kids are not treated as experiments. Sometimes puberty can be put on hold for a while to give time for the child to grow up some. Forcing a child to go through the 'wrong' puberty is really cruel. Some misguided people are trying to stop any treatment for trans young people. I don't know if I answered all your questions, but if I could leave it on this note. Trans people have a really tough go. Put yourself in this place for a second. You have an aspect of yourself that makes you feel tremendous shame and guilt, because every depiction on the media shows you to be some sort of freak or joke. You can't tell anyone in your life for fear of everyone close to you, rejecting you. This thing you are dealing with causes so much pain and discomfort every day of your life. Suppose you do come out, lose people, have people laugh at you or worse, attack you. In many places, you could lose where you live, eviction, lose your job, or if you happen to be black, have a real chance of being murdered. Now, if you are at all an empathetic person and can put yourself in this spot, can you not see why so many of my friends might consider suicide? If you want, in your heart, to be a good, kind person, offer a supportive comment, it might mean the world to someone. At least, maybe withhold a hurtful comment. To me, if anyone wants to look for mental illness anywhere, it might be worth looking at the people who make trans people's lives hell. Thanks for listening. Adam Southworth: @MsHaygirl On the contrary, I don't think the media depicts negative stereotypes of transgender people. I hear almost unanimous support for transgender people in the media, even at the expense of the safety and well-being of women and children. The media have allowed the well-being of one group to trample underfoot the safety and well-being of women and children. You might class it a "crazy idea" that children have been pushed through dangerous and life-altering surgery. This is not my claim. This is the claim of those who've worked at sex reassignment clinics. Some claim the number of people who regret surgery is as high as 4%. However, the number of people who have sex reassignment surgery has increased exponentially in recent years. People assume they know why, despite the immense harm of a potential mistake. I don't think anyone who affects to care about children has the right to assume answers. And someone who doesn't care about children, or thinks the rights of one small group take precedence, has no right to catechize anyone about a lack of compassion. I think they've allowed political correctness to bypass their conscience. I don't want to make anyone's life difficult. I will always sympathize with people who have real problems. "No man is an island" and life is an uphill struggle for everyone. However, it's a false dichotomy and emotional blackmail to claim either you support absolute rights for one group, or you want them to commit suicide. I have sympathy for vulnerable people, not people who assume their problems take precedence over everything. I don't respect people who support Orwellian laws and speech codes which effect other people's rights and well-being. I reject "hate speech" laws which trample Christians and others underfoot, and the right of people born male to compete in women's sports--or enter places like female prisons--where women are vulnerable. I think most of us feel shame or have some aspect of our character that would lead people to reject us. I know a lot of people would reject me if they knew some of my beliefs, yet I don't have laws or the present zeitgeist to protect me. I have compassion for people who struggle. However, I recognize compassion is not the only value. There's sometimes an irreconcilable conflict of interest. To be too compassionate to one group can be cruel to another. (Edited by Adam Southworth) MsHaygirl: You have to look no further than this very thread in places to see that there are people who totally despise trans people. (Thankfully there are a lot of supportive people here also.) There are tv 'news' stations, radio stations full of hostile hosts, political figures who will spare no opportunity to gain votes by playing to people's fears and prejudices about the horrors of the 'trans agenda.' Only recently, in the last 5 to 10 years, have you seen some positive coverage of trans people. Thank goodness for that! One of the common hater story lines is that trans people make women unsafe. This is an incredible falsehood. If you think transwomen should not go in the woman's restrooms because some perv might use the excuse of being trans to attack women, it simply doesn't happen. If that is the logic, maybe the gun owners should not be allowed guns because some bad guy might kill someone with a gun. I'm sure a lot of folks would not like that logic. If you think trans women will attack women or little girls, it doesn't happen. Think about the logic here. Trans women want estrogen for transition. It lowers the sex drive. That is directly opposite of a sex crazed maniac preying on little kids. You have a group whose rights have traditionally been abused by being fired, evicted, tormented, teased, and murdered and somehow you seem to consider them the oppressors. No one forces children to have any surgeries. If someone tells you that, red flag, that's someone who is lying to promote their own bigotry and trans hatred. As for Christians, I have a number of Christian trans friends. They are amazingly kind and want nothing except equal rights. You are so worried about trans women going to a woman's prison. I would want that to be handled for everyone's safety. Funny, you don't seem to worry about trans women being in a men's prison. This is quite telling to me. There actually are multiple real stories of trans women facing rape and abuse in these situations. Am I wrong, and I hope I am, that you consider them expendable? I admire you standing up for the violation of someone's rights. I don't see how trans people are the all powerful oppressors, picking on the non trans people. Flappy, sorry I didn't mean to take over your thread. I'm a sucker for the underdog deep down. flappes_flappy_ears: @mshaygirl, it's fine, we need more supportive people like you on this thread. And less bigoted people!  jasonabetkoff70: We are so condtioned bye sociaty about gender.When we are born got a penis your a boy and boy like blue and behave and do things there fathers did etc Same if you have a vagina ..I personally pansexual not gay trans bi hetro lesbian but i love them all equally .Their is nothing wrong with the colors of flowers that we are Love and understanding the people and different things in life can only make us wiser .The other option indeference hate and stupidity .My Mum always said jason you dont say that ] i hate ] but you say dislike .For the haters out there i pity you ,you must understand that anger and hatred will only affect you and your vibration .No one wants to be around people that have that heaviness about them .I love you haters but really i kinda dislike you also .Namaste . | Self-Improvement Chat Room Similar Conversations |
