What do you think about genderfluid people? (Page 20)

laffer80: And yet you asked. Lol. Ok. I’ll ignore you.

flappes_flappy_ears: @laffer80, ok thanks

laffer80: Good luck. ❤️ Enjoy life.

Jerr_Y: LMAO @ gender fluid.
Its BS to have sex with same or opposite .
Just make up your mind as to what you want .

pridechamp: i am genderfluid so ya

Dividends: A lot of the reception here is atrocious. People are just hateful.

From my understanding, genderfluidity doesn't relate to sexuality, but gender identity. Maybe one day you like to express yourself masculinely because you feel more aligned with it, so you dress in such a way. Maybe another day you feel like wearing a dress and putting on some makeup. It seems to just mean that you aren't strictly confined to your gender's fashion, you express yourself as you please and whatever "fits" you that day. People spazz out about it today, but most fashion is temporary and susceptible to change, especially because much of it is dependent on trends. Jeans were initially seen as for men only, but now lots of women wear them and it's seen as normal. Heels used to be a guy thing (1600s), and now it's a women thing. It's better to focus your energy and passion on issues that really matter.. the singer Prince and Bobby Farrel (Boney M, the guy who sings "Rasputin" ) both wore outrageous clothing (the kind that would be seen as "womanly" now), but it was kind of seen as cool at the time. It really doesn't matter what you wear, as long as you're not flashing anyone or promoting hate, lmao. I can't wait to see what will be considered "feminine" or "strictly masculine clothing!" within the next 10 years. As for the other aspect of genderfluidity, which would be how you behave, let people be. If a man wants to cross his legs and paint his nails, leave him alone. He didn't ask you to stick your nose in his business. Consider focusing on something more productive and worthy of your time. Does the person you're critiquing deserve to be shit on? Probably not, leave them alone.

flappes_flappy_ears: @dividends, I think that's one of the best answers someone's ever typed on this thread

laffer80: You are free to do whatever you like and feel however you like, but not BE whatever you like. A boy is still a boy and a girl is still a girl no matter how they “feel” at any given moment. That’s not hate. That’s reality. If hate is involved at all, perhaps it’s people’s hate for reality and those who acknowledge it.

Dividends: Yes, biologically you are a boy or a girl. That would be the reality aspect of it, though some people (specifically transgender people, if I recall correctly, which is separate from genderfluidity) will seek to transition to the other gender. A gender fluid person prefers it if they are referred to as the gender they feel most “at home” with, but won’t usually seek a biological sex change. Identity wise, in terms of self expression, you can be whatever you want.

Dividends: I know that as we get older, we tend to become fixed in our ideas. I obviously can’t change yours, I just hope you don’t actively try to inconvenience and attack LGBT people in person. There’s enough pain in the world already, no need to add to it.

flappes_flappy_ears: Dividends, well said

Dividends: Thank you, Flappes. (‘:

laffer80: Interesting. You use words like atrocious, hateful, fixed, inconvenience, attack, pain. I don’t think they define me.

I don’t try to influence or change anyone’s ideas. I try to clarify mine.

The more i understand why i believe what i believe, tested by life experience and challenged by dialogue, the more confident i am in my ideas. My ideas are only “fixed” in that they are my ideas at this time, unless/until i have reason for them to change. I guess age gives one more time to experience life and dialogue.

I could confine my discussions to an echo chamber of like minded people. But where is the challenge to ideas in that?

Having said that, everyone is free. I have no problem with that. But, I’m free too. Including free to think differently. Hopefully without ridicule.

Dividends: I wasn’t addressing you when I used those words. I used them because they seem to reflect a lot of the vitriol being thrown around in this thread. Ie, I’ve seen a few comments from others on here about throwing such people into institutions, insinuating that they’re “crazy”, etc. It’s concerning to me because some people with that critical mindset deliberately try to make the lives of LGBT people more miserable, whether that be through bullying them, shaming them, ganging up on them and jumping them, and other acts of crime. There’s no need for that and you never really know the full scope of what someone’s going through, which is the idea I was trying to emphasize in my sentence, “Does the person you're critiquing deserve to be shit on? Probably not, leave them alone.” Those jeering words could be what finally pushes them to the edge. All in all, my reply was not to any one person in particular, it just seems that there’s a lot of confusion on what “genderfluid” means and I honestly don’t think it’s alright to speak about or treat people so cruelly, so I wanted to counter that a little. And yes, share my thoughts on the matter too.

To cut this short, no, obviously one opinion of yours doesn’t define you. I can see we have different opinions, so let’s agree to disagree.

flappes_flappy_ears: Btw, one thing I want to add. I have nothing against people who disagree with me about my opinions. Everyone has different opinions and thats fine. What I am against is people abusing others and saying they're stupid, mad, etc. and going on about religion etc. which has nothing to do with anything, as some people have previously posted here.

laffer80: Fixed, inconvenience, attack, pain.. were words addressed directly to me, though not directly accusatory. Regardless, fair enough Dividends.

Thanks. I don’t care what people do. My only point being, for me, a person loses me when they start saying they are a gender that they are not. Feeling like a different gender, wanting to be a different gender…. Fine. Wanting to be addressed as a different gender, ok.

Entering an opposite gender bathroom, competing in an opposite gender sport, accepting someone IS actually an opposite gender, believing a man can have a baby…. Those venture beyond their feeling/wanting.. and beyond my beliefs.

MsEcho_Yup: This issue boils down to quality of life. Fact, you cannot change you DNA from one sex to be another, but no one really claims this to be true. Fact, there are a number of people who are not XX or XY, but are something different. As much as some people like to calm their minds with a simple answer, things are not that simple. Biology is not simple when it comes to sex. Now gender is something which is not quite the same as someone's sex. Gender is mental self perception. Fact, trans people exist. Running from being trans is possible, ceasing to mentally be trans is not, short of a lobotomy. If one cannot change one's mental gender self image, some people change their body and or social situation. It is an incredibly difficult thing to do, but it is done for quality of life reasons. Condemning trans people is easy. Laughing and judging trans people has been done to death. Bottom line, if you have never experienced crushing gender dysphoria, you are no expert. You are free to have your opinions, but they are not fully informed. It always strikes me that some of the people who are so adamant that no one 'is gonna tell me what to do in my life' are the very same ones who want to tell trans people that they should have no quality of life, to shut up and disappear. Why? Because it makes them 'uncomfortable.' As for bathrooms, there is no danger to natal women from trans people using women's rooms. If someone is truly concerned about women's safety, contribute to a rape hotline. Support battered women's shelters! Go where the real problem lies, not with some made up storyline created to bash trans women.

laffer80: That was a lot of nonsense.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2021/october/va-judge-finds-transgender-teen-guilty-of-sexual-assault-in-loudoun-county-high-school-girls-bathroom-case

MsEcho_Yup: You quote CBN as a news source and speak of others talking nonsense? OMG

MsEcho_Yup: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/28/opinion/loudoun-county-trans.html

Here is a more reputable news source on that story.

laffer80: So are you denying this really happened? I want to give you a chance to be clear. Whining about a source is not s denial.

laffer80: 1) The NY Times is your reputable source? 😂😂😂. Too funny.

2). Your source is unreadable unless you pay. How convenient. 😂

Again, are you denying this incident occured?

MsEcho_Yup: Sexual assault by anyone is a crime and should be punished. The bathroom policy was not even in place when this happened. Details matter. There's no proof this kids was actually even trans. He was certainly a rapist. Apparently it was the girl who choice the girls room as the location.
Now if you want to stop trans people from going into bathrooms based on what some non trans sexual assaulter might do, let's continue that logic. Maybe we should ban you having guns because some bad guy might use a gun in a crime. I'm sure you and many gun owners would agree to that logic. No? Didn't think so. You think this is a pattern of women being attacked by trans women? Give me proof to show the pattern.
Yes, you want this story to be true so bad don't you?

laffer80: “Details matter”.

Ok. So now you are admitting a rape took place.

laffer80: Ok. So now that you acknowledge an actual rape took place, let’s move on to other details.

First, you say “Apparently it was the girl who choice the girls room as the location.”. Ok. So again, clarification. Why is this detail relevant to this discussion? Does this not make him trans? Does this justify being raped? Or is it relevant for another reason? Please explain.