Space Elevator (The Epic Tower) Zereous Excentris: http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/Zereon_Avaingaliaria/The%20Epic%20Tower%20Space%20Elevator.jpg This Photo will help Explain things ^.^ Copy and past the above Link into Your web address bar and push enter There is tube that is large in circumference. Another tube that is inside that tube. Kind of like that cup you took out camping and it you pull it out into a cup and its made of these round plastic rings and they pull out into a cup or press flat. Electromagnets hold the structure up. It holds the tower up with 7 or 8 points of contact. The Electromagnets lighten the tower. And the tower can extend up when in use and then slowly deactivate the Electromagnets to let the building slide back down into itself. It has tube within tube several times and then it Extends and Vice Versa. It can ascend and then descend or elevate and de'elevate. Now Each Segment of the Epic Tower Space Elevator is Lighter by the Magnets on each Section reaching to the Heavens.. that means that the base is not taking the weight but the base magnets are. and they are solid steel. (Edited by Zereous Excentris)  Corwin: Your fundamental flaw with this idea is the assumption that magnets would somehow create "lift" or reduce the weight somehow. All that those magnets would do is create a repelling force between each other, but the weight of the matter would still transfer to the matter below it... there would be no "lift" somehow created. Matter already has a repelling force even when magnets aren't involved, which is why your coffee mug doesn't pass through the coffee table... but the coffee mug isn't being "lifted" (which implies that there is some sort of "work" being done), but rather it is merely being "supported", or suspended from below. The weight of the coffee mug is added to the coffee table. Just as the weight of each segment of your tower will be suspended by the one beneath, and the weight will be transferred down. Having a base to your tower with a repulsive magnetic field still makes no difference... the weight will still be transferred to the surrounding ground. Magnets do not counteract gravity, nor do they eliminate weight. ------------- A simple experiment you can perform to demonstrate this: Take a coffee mug and place it on a scale and weight it. Then suspend the coffee mug above the scale by placing magnets beneath it with the same poles to each other. Then weigh it again... you will find that the mug weighs the same... even more in fact, as you will also add the weight of the magnets themselves. (Edited by Corwin) Zereous Excentris: it will pass all the weight to the base magnets making the tower base not take all the weight.. the magnets want to push up into the air as they repel each other lifting up on the center tower Corwin: Why won't the base take all the weight? What difference does it make if there are magnets at the base or not? As I said, magnets do not counteract gravity, nor do they somehow eliminate weight. If fact, I don't see how the magnets are performing any useful function whatsoever. They're supporting the weight from above, but so do ordinary bricks. What prevents the weight from transferring through the magnetic base to the surrounding Earth? You keep using the term "lift", but the magnets aren't lifting, they're merely supporting the weight from above by pushing against the support from beneath. The term "lifting" suggests that "work" is being done... but in Newtonian Physics, work is calculated by [force] x [distance], but as the height of your tower remains the same, there is no distance being traversed in the equation, and therefore no "lift" and no "work" being done. Your magnets are just simply "there". And so is all the mass, and so is the gravity. Surely you must be able to understand this. ------------ Perform my coffee mug experiment and see for yourself. Good Science is not just about creating a hypothesis, but about testing that hypothesis through experimentation and observation. My coffee mug experiment will clearly demonstrate the flaw in your reasoning. (Edited by Corwin) Corwin: Here... like this: ..[coffee mug] ....[magnet] <repulsive force> ....[magnet] -------------------- <-- scale 1 kilogram Now, flip one of the magnets around so that they attract instead of repel, and you'll have this: ..[coffee mug] ....[magnet] ....[magnet] --------------------- <-- scale 1 kilogram The repulsive magnetic force ain't doing jack-shit in regards to reducing the weight from above, it's merely supporting the weight from below, which is no different than if the magnetic force wasn't there at all. The scale is still taking the brunt of the weight regardless. Do you understand yet? Zereous Excentris: Allright Corvin Pay close attention cuz now there is TWO ways to do this Now Corvin if You have Magnets all around on a tower and they keep pushing up on each other and the tower is Supported by the magnets and all the weight goes to the base magnets dug into the ground.. Holding up the tower.. *Sigh* lets see if I could make a represintation of this .....-....................- Magnet----------Magnet ....+...................+ ....+...................+ Magnet----------Magnet .....-....................- .....-....................- Magnet----------Magnet Weight of tower presses down on these magnets but base magnets ....+...................+ Press up and the base magnets get heavyer ware as these magnets B..+...............B..+.....want to rise up from from the base magnets Magnet----------Magnet B Magnet is Base Magnet THere is Electricity PUMPED into these magnets Now the tower goes up the Center of this ware the ------------------- IS DUde this shit is so simple to understand and so complicated to fucking eplain.. THE POLE OF THE MAGNETS OK.. BASE MAGNET IS POSITIVE UP AND THE MAGNETS HOVERING OVER THOSE ARE POSITIVE DOWN.. THEY WANT TO PUSH AWAY.. PUSH AWAY FROM EACH OTHER FFS THEY WANT TO PUSH AWAY.. NOW THE TOWER IS BEING PUSHED UP ON THERE INSTEAD OF PUSHING ALL ITS WEIGHT DOWN ON THE BASE OF THE TOWER.. A SOLID STEEL BASE MAGNET TAKES THE BRUNT OF THE DAMN WEITGHT.. EVERY SINGLE MAGNET ABOVE EVERY SINGLE MAGNET PRESSES ITS MAGNETIC FOCES AGAINST EACH OTHER TRANSLATING WEIGHT DOWN TO THE BASE MAGNETS... God its so agrivating EXPLAINING THIS SHIT WITH ENGLISH.. ITs not Your Fault Corvin.. its just a complex ass process english is such a TANGLE UP FUCKED LANGUAGE TO USE TO EXPLAIN THIS SHIT Allright so do you understand that the base magnets and the magnets hovering above want to push away from each other and then the magnets hovering above the base magnets have magnets hovering above them too that have the same poles Pointed towords them as in the Diagram above -- to --.. then + to + This Displaces the weight of the tower from the tower to the base magnets I have to explain this 100 times dont i (Edited by Zereous Excentris) Zereous Excentris: The tower is under the Influence of gravity and the higher it gets the Heavier it gets The magnets are places at certain levels at the 50th floor the 100th floor whatever.. The Magnets want to PUSH AWAY from Each other.. Causing LIFT on the Center Tower Displacing Weight from the tower to the magnets into the base magnet Zereous Excentris: all the magnets are aligned to repel each other.. they are Powered to make them Electro Magnets.. they all Push away from each other.. PUSHING as hard as they can The tower 8 miles up is reduced to what it would be in weight when you build it from the ground Zereous Excentris: Allright One more SLap at Explination We have the Base Foundation Magnet And a Magnet above that and Both Magnets are Pointing there south polls at each other Now when You turn on the Power the magnet floating above the base magnet.. Flys into the air.. Now if it was attached to a tower.. It would Press up on the tower.. Pulling up on the tower.. The Weight of the tower is displaced through the magnets to the base magnets as all the magnets want to move UPWORDS holding the tower UP instead of it colapsing under its own weight.. the magnets are a support structure Corwin: Okay... I think I see what you're getting at. You're replacing some of the bulk of the mass of what the tower would be if it was a solid structure, and replacing that bulk with a magnetic field which doesn't weigh anything. Have I got that right? Corwin: Reducing the weight of the overall structure by having a portion of it supported by magnetic fields instead of a completely solid support structure? Zereous Excentris: the magnetic fields of the magnets repel each other pushing the magnets up supporting the structure (Post deleted by Zereous Excentris ) Corwin: Okay. I still don't see what the point is of all those electromagnets. Electromagnets are really heavy. Wouldn't it just make more sense to build a solid structure out of something lightweight like aluminum or reinforced carbon-fiber? (Post deleted by Zereous Excentris ) Zereous Excentris: the magnets want to rise lifting up on the structure even though they are heavy and the Electricity just boosts it.. Normaly they wont want to rise and they would just press against each other but this tower can be formulated around to work with smaller magnets.. like.. that Junk yard dog that picks up steel out of a trash heep to sort alloy from aluminum and stuff Zereous Excentris: There is no such thing as an alloy that can do it.. magnetism would support it by the magnets stacked and repulsing each other supporting the tower Corwin: I get that... magnets form part of the support structure... I just don't understand what you are trying to gain by doing that. How is a series of repulsive electromagnets going to be lighter than a solid structure made out of aluminum? Zereous Excentris: I do agree with You that magnets are heavy but that is solved by the fact that the magnets want to push away from each other.. they want to rise using magnetic fields instead of fall from there weight cancling out the fact that they are heavy Zereous Excentris: The magnets can also be formulated to be this ball at the bottem of North Poll and a ball at the top to be a south poll with a bar and its pure steel making the magnet lighter.. it can be shaped like whatever for all i care as long as it makes a tower that Scrapes space allowing us to launch packages into space with ease Corwin: Magnets will not somehow cancel out the weight above it... I demonstrated that with my hypothetical coffee mug experiment. Magnets do not make things "hover weightlessly" above them... the a repelling magnetic force does not revoke the Laws of Gravity. Zereous Excentris: Hehehe come on Corvin now.. OK lets do an Experiment in our minds You stack magnets North end down then north end up then north end down then north end up The magnets are holding each other at a distince right? | Technology Chat Room Similar Conversations |