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Crash: The Flying Car Analogy

A person comes up to you telling you the wonders of their new flying car (Jesus). They tell you it is very fast, very durable and completely safe. It is so safe the company pays your insurance for you.
They produce a brochure (Bible) full of accolades about the car, which they know so very well. They tell you of their friends who now have flying cars, and how much happier they are for buying them.

I ask for a test drive, but am told no flying cars are available to test drive now. I have to instead make payments (tithing) until I die and after my own demise I shall receive my very own flying car.

I reply “No thank you” as such a contract makes no sense.
I am then told if I fail to enter into the contract the maker of the car (God) will be so angry he will dump me into a volcano if I refuse to enter into the contract.

I see no evidence of the car’s maker (God) or the car (Jesus).

With no evidence to support the reality of the car (Jesus), or maker (God) why should I not think this is a confidence scam?
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SashaSmiles
SashaSmiles: where do you say in this that you are not the author? Or am I the only one that never heard of the flying car analogy before?
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Srchng4Truth
Srchng4Truth: Do you ever consider the possibility God may exist and just the Bible is wrong? Just curious.
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Srchng4Truth
Srchng4Truth: Do you believe God may exist(not what you believe to be the Christian God)? What do you believe?
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Crash
Crash: There is no evidence for ANYTHING supernatural. The term "god" is completely ambiguous until given a qualifier and attributes.
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Srchng4Truth
Srchng4Truth in reply to Crash: Seek and ye shall find. You have to be willing to see, though.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: That's an interesting analogy, which applies to the paint job rather than the flying car. "We don't have this car in blue anymore". There's nothing stopping you from going to a different flying car lot to find one in red. All lots will permit you to choose your own accessories from a plate of goodies. When you do that, you're flying car will get that little label on the side, called "limited edition".
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Typo - "your", not you're. Bonus, you can go to any tire store and pick up the 'Rims' of your dreams. Remember, top of the line isn't cheap - you'll pay dearly.
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Crash
Crash: ...and yet....NONE of your bullshit proves or gives evidence to the point that the car can ACTUALLY fly. LOL You said ALLLL that to say NOTHING!!! ....As you usually do zan.
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Srchng4Truth
Srchng4Truth: Not nice to describe another's talk as bullshit. js Your response above seems like an attack on Zanjan which is interesting. I wonder why you attacked her? There is a lot of talk regarding debate that when people attack people within a discussion, they either can't handle the debate itself, or do you perhaps have some deep seated anger or fear about what Zanjan is saying that you are trying to shut down?
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If the stars fell
If the stars fell: zanjan is a fuckin tard
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wheelgirl
wheelgirl: The Flying Car Analogy is religion
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Crash
Crash: Searching.....Zan rarely engages in debate.....all she does is try to twist what is being said to suit her specific narrative.....as she CLEARLY did here. She tried to change the parameters of the analogy to suit her narrative....so she could be "correct." It's sad and embarrassing....she does this constantly. That is why it's BULLSHIT....she's not even having the same argument as the rest of us....she blatantly attempting to be dishonest.....so she can "win." How very sad.
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Jare
Jare: Aye. The color of the car doesn't matter if you aren't guaranteed to see it, let alone whether it even flies.
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Srchng4Truth
Srchng4Truth: Crash: Forget The Bible for a little while. This is my belief. Take a leap of faith. If you HONESTLY and TRULY search for God and are open to seeing God, you will get evidence of God's existence. You REALLY be willing to see God. If you don't want to or are not willing to accept God's existence, you will not see God. You have to truly look with open eyes. It is NOT easy. It took me 30 years to see the evidence for God's existence. I think, to be honest, that I denies God because I wanted to be in control of my life, but that failed miserably for me, and I reached a point where I asked for help. I asked for God to direct me. I apologized for denying God all those years and admitted I was lost without God. Since then my life has gotten SO much better. The wonders and miracles and changes in me have just simply been beyond anything I could ever have imagined. I love you Crash and even if you never find God and stay the way you are now until your dying day, I will treasure your existence. Thank you for being in my life. You are beautiful to me
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Srchng4Truth
Srchng4Truth: You REALLY have to be willing*
That I denied God*
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Crash
Crash: That is a perfect example of a self - fulfilling idea / prophecy ......you wanted something so bad.....you "saw" it regardless of whether it was true or not. You believed "god" was helping your life....so it got better. When in all actuality you can't actually demonstrate it was anything but yourself that made it better. "


Dude...if you want to give and unverifiable , invisible, non-detectable, entity credit for the things you did yourself....have at it. Personally that's a pretty depressing outlook on life bud.

As for the first part of your post. It's absolutely 100% subjective. I was a Christian for the better part of my young life. I truly believed I was seeing, hearing, experiencing the "god" of the bible. However.....as I grew older ....I realized the bible is nothing more than a compendium of claims....and mostly violent, disgusting claims at that.

I then realized that if that "gods" character is accurately represented in that book....it's nothing but an evil , vile, bloodthirsty, totalitarian, sadistic, tyrant. NOT worthy of my devotion. Hence.....I woke up from my indoctrination.....stopped with the facile justifications...and embraced reality.

No "god" has EVER been demonstrated to exist...............EVER......and I'm glad some haven't....for the very reasons I mentioned above.

To live your life as a slave....to something you cannot even give evidence of even existing ....is IMO...a horrible way to live......very depressing and I pity those who live that way.
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lisbail
lisbail: Crash?? Why do you have to be so nasty to those who believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior? I respect your choice not to believe, so does God. You're an intelligent man, it shows. However, faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Here is something else to consider...People who don't believe in Jesus will never convince those of us who do, that He does not exist.. Why? Because each of us has had an experience with Jesus that we, ourselves cannot deny.

God is a big God and can handle your rage and opinions. He is the God of all flesh and nothing is impossible for him. So ask Him sincerely...He'll show up. Be kind to strangers. Many have entertained Angels unware. Just ask...and be nice. No one is against you.
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Srchng4Truth
Srchng4Truth in reply to Crash: Crash: I don't know you are SO centered on God being like the bible describes Him. Just because that book may have flaws does not invalidate God's existence, and unlike others I have seen proof of God's existence. Mine is not blind faith, but just a scientists observations. God Bless You.
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Crash
Crash:
LIS:

"Crash?? Why do you have to be so nasty to those who believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior?"

I'm not "being nasty" I'm simply calling out the nonsensical nature of your UNVERIFIED truth claims, and asking you to provide evidence for them. If you consider that ..."being nasty" well that seems like a YOU problem.

"However, faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

Quoting the bible is meaningless until you can demonstrate the bible is accurate and true. Furthermore Faith is the most disingenuous proposition one can have. You don't use or have "Faith" in ANY other facet of you lives.....yet when it comes to arguably the "most important question ever" the subject of a "god"....somehow THAT gets a pass. It's exempt from your evidence based critical thinking that you use EVERYWHERE else. It's dishonest and sad.

"Here is something else to consider...People who don't believe in Jesus will never convince those of us who do, that He does not exist.."

Atheists, as a general rule, aren't trying to convince ANYONE that a "god" doesn't exist. We aren't making a positive claim of truth like theists are. Hence the onus is NOT on the Atheist to provide evidence that a "god" does NOT exist....because we aren't claiming one does not exist.
We are open to the possibility , however we aren't going to just believe it because you "say so" or an unverified book "says so." Conversely....as a general rule xtians ARE making a positive claim of truth when they say "god exists." Hence you assume a burden of proof to provide demonstrable evidence for your claims. Otherwise they are simply empty assertions, completely without substance.

"Why? Because each of us has had an experience with Jesus that we, ourselves cannot deny. "

See my last paragraph......that's an empty claim that you have absolutely no demonstrable evidence for....hence it means nothing to me....and I don't believe you.


Your last paragraph was simply one big Begging the Question Fallacy....so I won't bother addressing it.
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Crash
Crash: Srchng:

"Crash: I don't know you are SO centered on God being like the bible describes Him."

Because that is the ONLY source of "info" that we have to find the characteristics of the biblical "god."

"Just because that book may have flaws does not invalidate God's existence"

Never said it did. What I DID say is that ...if "gods" character is ACCURATELY represented in that book....it's NOT a "god of love." It's VERY far from it.

"and unlike others I have seen proof of God's existence."

Please present your "proof" of "god." I'm all eyes!!!
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daisiesnfld
daisiesnfld: And to think, not a single one of us thinks you can 'prove' your own theories, your 'beliefs' if you will. My my. Such a waste of time..Sigh
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punxnotdead_sean
punxnotdead_sean: Get a life Crash. Then you won't care what Christians believe.
People like you are very strange in that it's only Christians you attack.
You are not incensed by pagans, wiccans, satanists, or Muslims.
Why is that?
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Crash
Crash in reply to punxnotdead_sean: //You are not incensed by pagans, wiccans, satanists...//

You don't know that...you're simply assuming it. However ....in regards to the above 3 ....you hhappen to be correct.

The reason I'm not upset by those religions / belief structures.....is very simple.

They aren't trying to shove their subjective , unverifiable beliefs down anyone's throats!!

They aren't trying to legislate laws, to make others act and obey the way they think they should based upon on their subjective , unverifiable beliefs stemming from an ancient , unverifiable book!!

Christianity IS!!

That's disgusting and is how wars start.

In regards to Islam.....I feel the same way as I do about xtianity. So your assertion was just wrong about that.
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Crash
Crash in reply to daisiesnfld: Problem with that is ....I'm not making any truth claims. Generally speaking Xtians ARE!!

Hence they assume the burden of proof. That's how logic works sweetie. Sorry you don't get that.

I don't have to prove something false...that hasn't been proven true. That's not how it works!!

You demonstrate your fundamental misunderstanding of what Atheism is. So sad and embarrassing for you.
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rochelleforsberg
rochelleforsberg: John 12:40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, lest they see with their eyes, and understand with their heart, and turn, and I would heal them.”
Corinthians 4:4 “In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.”
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rochelleforsberg
rochelleforsberg: If you saw ur neighbors house on fire you would go warn them would you not? We love people and are warning them and sharing the good news because we are not better than anyone and everyone deserves to hear the truth. God bless you and ur family and take care
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Crash
Crash in reply to rochelleforsberg: ONCE AGAIN....as you seem to have a hard time understand this ....I'll repeat it for you.

Something isn't "true" simply because you believe it is ....or claim it is!!

Please try to get that. Otherwise you simply appear ignorant or dishonest.
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rochelleforsberg
rochelleforsberg in reply to Crash: Love ya crash have a nice night and take care of urself and ur family!
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Crash
Crash: Yup....and may the love of the only TRUE GOD ODIN be upon you!!
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