lavendar_star: How Hackers Changed the World We Are Legion. A great documentary which I watched on BBC4 mainly about the group anonymous and how they came to be but also about Hacktivism generally. I have to say I am now bit of a fan of them now, especially after they went up against the power house that is Scientology n some racist shock jock in the US. If you can find and watch it online its another good documentary from the BBC.
Metaverseguy: As a computer science student I think it's interesting *how* they hacked into the servers, yet since they are threatening politicians and vandalizing web sites they could be considered terrorists. The anonymous group leaked their demands in a video on youtube.
lavendar_star in reply to Metaverseguy: They are considering threatening by governments which is why they wear Guy fawkes masks but history has shown like with civil rights protesters and Suffragettes they could be consider terrorists or were by the governments at the time. As the saying goes one man terrorists is another's freedom fighter. Yes i can see your interests in how they actually do the hacking on high profile servers and other things they do.
lavendar_star in reply to OCD_OCD: Well that was a point they made on the doc, they are all of the above, good, bad and sometimes irrelevant, they had splitter group who anonymous thought that had gone too far.
OCD_OCD: it is all up to each individual whether they use their talents for worthwhile causes or whether their fun is inflicting damage. it is hard to tell sometimes.
Him_over_there: Thank you [lavender_star] for informing us of this interesting documentary:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01qxmwp/Storyville_20122013_How_Hackers_Changed_the_World_We_Are_Legion/ It seems the 'Anonymous' movement is fast evolving in nature. Starting as pranksters and hackers, then protesters, now campaigners. The next logical step is the mass formation of organised expressions of need and desire, through the drawing up of a programme; a constitution of tenets and aims which transcend mere amorphous terms such as 'democracy', 'oppression' and 'freedom' Here we'll see significant splits when it comes to tangible perspectives and representation.
Him_over_there: Because the underlying reality of any social movement will be class. Now its easy to complain about a thing and quite another matter to offer a viable alternative. This takes an understanding of both history and the nature of society. And what is profitable for one group will inversely not be profitable for another.
I don't believe as the Church of 'Scientology' has claimed that 'Anonymous' is a terrorist trend. Terrorism is the use of fear to achieve aims, while 'Anonymous' generally employ exposure and disruption (two legitimate forms of activity) to paralyse powerful, often corrupt bodies.
'Anonymous' has modern technique for expressing dissent. But mere access to an apparatus is not enough to effect genuine, meaningful change. An understanding and coincidence with existing Revolutionary groups would create a most powerful vehicle for change with the necessary idealistic thrust to achieve worthy aims.
Comrade_: I think that we've always had those within society that rebel and speak out at things that they deem to be wrong/injust. The only difference is the tools that are used now, technology as one of them. The growing distrust for authority/governments cause this also.
DanCaumo: Some institutions try to make us believe that hacktivism is just one think, but actually there is a war happening in the deepnet, what is the crude web, each group has their own interest and even the official institutions as the biggest countries governments has their hackers (employees) who works on this invisible war.
Comrade_: The internet is for everyone. Anyone who think that the Chinese is the only country that hacks for information from other countries (though they officially deny it) is out of touch with reality. If you're going to cut China based on that line of reasoning then you might want to throw a riot for the US Government, for Israel, probably Russia in there etc.
True to a point, DanCaumo, the war is sometimes referred to as cyber-warfare and it happens a lot.
DanCaumo: sebtheanimal, not only China, not only Russia, any big country nowadays has their own hackers trying to get informations from other countries and big corporations, it's like internet soldiers, there are many interests in all the information that circulates in the many diferent intranets and particular webs inside the internet, many of those that have the circulation forbidden for the public. Even the biggest corporations have theirs. The fact is that now is not only the matter of fact of hacktivism, it's for institutional interets as for defense/protection/security.
Thank you [lavender_star] for informing us of this interesting documentary:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01qxmwp/Storyville_20122013_How_Hackers_Changed_the_World_We_Are_Legion/
It seems the 'Anonymous' movement is fast evolving in nature. Starting as pranksters and hackers, then protesters, now campaigners. The next logical step is the mass formation of organised expressions of need and desire, through the drawing up of a programme; a constitution of tenets and aims which transcend mere amorphous terms such as 'democracy', 'oppression' and 'freedom' Here we'll see significant splits when it comes to tangible perspectives and representation.
Because the underlying reality of any social movement will be class. Now its easy to complain about a thing and quite another matter to offer a viable alternative. This takes an understanding of both history and the nature of society. And what is profitable for one group will inversely not be profitable for another.
I don't believe as the Church of 'Scientology' has claimed that 'Anonymous' is a terrorist trend. Terrorism is the use of fear to achieve aims, while 'Anonymous' generally employ exposure and disruption (two legitimate forms of activity) to paralyse powerful, often corrupt bodies.
'Anonymous' has modern technique for expressing dissent. But mere access to an apparatus is not enough to effect genuine, meaningful change. An understanding and coincidence with existing Revolutionary groups would create a most powerful vehicle for change with the necessary idealistic thrust to achieve worthy aims.
Anyone who think that the Chinese is the only country that hacks for information from other countries (though they officially deny it) is out of touch with reality. If you're going to cut China based on that line of reasoning then you might want to throw a riot for the US Government, for Israel, probably Russia in there etc.
True to a point, DanCaumo, the war is sometimes referred to as cyber-warfare and it happens a lot.