HydroMan: JWs argue that Jesus could not resurrect with a fleshly body because He gave His life (blood and body) as a ransom/payment for sin (if Jesus resurrected with His fleshly body, then He is taking back His life, preventing the ransom to be paid). How should we respond?
one argument would be the simple fact that if Jesus did not resurrect from the dead with a fleshly body, then He did not defeat death
but what about this idea on how Jesus 'taking back' His body would prevent the ransom from being paid?
TheDoctor394: Certainly, Jesus had to come back from the dead for death to be conquered. This is crucial.
The fact remains, however, that He did die, and it also should be kept in mind that, while Jesus' suffering and dying was certainly part of his salvivic work, the main part was taking on the sins of the world, something worse than anyone else could ever experience his side of Hell. Once He did that,along with His deah, the ransom had been paid.
HydroMan: yes, the thing is, he died. So this idea that Jesus is 'taking back' His life by resurrecting in a fleshly body doesn't mean anything because He still had to die. Nothing can change this
HydroMan: and I still maintain that, if you deny Jesus' fleshly body being raised from the dead, then you are denying the resurrection. A person is made of mind body and spirit. So if the flesh/body is not raised, then the resurrection is incomplete, hence not a resurrection
These are the sneaky thing u have to watch out for when it comes to these cults. They will claim that they are like other Christians because they accept the resurrection, but its not the same - similar to Mormons who claim to believe in the Trinity. No they don't. They believe Jesus was the first spirit being to be created. So if Jesus was created and not eternal, then He is not God, which means there is no Trinity
one argument would be the simple fact that if Jesus did not resurrect from the dead with a fleshly body, then He did not defeat death
but what about this idea on how Jesus 'taking back' His body would prevent the ransom from being paid?
The fact remains, however, that He did die, and it also should be kept in mind that, while Jesus' suffering and dying was certainly part of his salvivic work, the main part was taking on the sins of the world, something worse than anyone else could ever experience his side of Hell. Once He did that,along with His deah, the ransom had been paid.
These are the sneaky thing u have to watch out for when it comes to these cults. They will claim that they are like other Christians because they accept the resurrection, but its not the same - similar to Mormons who claim to believe in the Trinity. No they don't. They believe Jesus was the first spirit being to be created. So if Jesus was created and not eternal, then He is not God, which means there is no Trinity